From: owner-colug-digest@bopper.wcbe.org (colug-digest) To: colug-digest@bopper.wcbe.org Subject: colug-digest V3 #38 Reply-To: Sender: owner-colug-digest@bopper.wcbe.org Errors-To: owner-colug-digest@bopper.wcbe.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: colug@bopper.wcbe.org colug-digest Thursday, January 27 2000 Volume 03 : Number 038 Any comments on Mr. Stallman's presentation Re: [COLUG] Any comments on Mr. Stallman's presentation COLUG Meeting -> Comestibles Re: [COLUG] Any comments on Mr. Stallman's presentation going to greet the enemy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:38:02 -0500 From: Mackie Zwald <mackie@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Any comments on Mr. Stallman's presentation Hello to all, I was not able to attend the Richard Stallman talk yesterday evening. Does anyone care to comment? Mackie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 17:14:43 -0500 From: Jason Alexander <jalex+@osu.edu> Subject: Re: [COLUG] Any comments on Mr. Stallman's presentation He's high on the extremist meter. He has some good points and is an entertaining speaker, but all things should be done in moderation. I am not so sure he is really happy with having GNU and FSF as the most important things in his life...it was not suprising to see him use "religion" in part of his talk. He appears to literally have put FSF and GNU above all else...like a religion. On that note, I really like the guy, because he puts some real effort behind what he believes. Anyone who does that, (_except_ people like Hitler and Bill Gates who put real effort to harm others for no other reason but to cause harm), is to be respected. I fully support his view on software and general information patents, which is that they are damaging to the software community because they may add extraordinary obstacles in the completion of any large-size product. I thought it was interesting how he viewed linux, but not suprising. It really is just a kernel, though. Just use FreeBSD and then you never have to worry about whether you are using "GNU/Linux" or "Linux". The largest impact he had on me, was his emphasis on "freedom". It clarified any misunderstandings of free software or opensource I had. I am now pretty sure how I want to license any software I develop in the future. It is actually more motivating to know that you are working on a software project to benefit people somehow without unnecessary restrictions, than it is to develop something for a living. =) On the other hand, I felt he held his goals for the GNU and "free" software to be the highest priority in his life. I thought that was sad, and I felt bad for him. But he does excellent work, and I am grateful for his efforts, including all those who work on other "free" projects. - -Jason Alexander jalex@pobox.com At 04:38 PM 1/25/00 , you wrote: >Hello to all, > >I was not able to attend the Richard Stallman talk yesterday evening. >Does anyone care to comment? > >Mackie > >- >COLUG mailing list tag line: ======================================= >Want to know more: http://static.colug.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:33:27 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Hostetler <phostetl@columbus.rr.com> Subject: COLUG Meeting -> Comestibles The folks at http://columbus.techies.com have offered to cater the January COLUG meeting. They have also offered to send a door prize. If it arrives (via USPS) in time we could have some sort of drawing for it at the meeting. If it doesn't arrive in time we can take care of it during the February meeting. Paul Hostetler ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 04:08:04 -0500 From: Jacob Hopkins <jacob@bright.net> Subject: Re: [COLUG] Any comments on Mr. Stallman's presentation Mackie Zwald wrote: > I was not able to attend the Richard Stallman talk yesterday evening. > Does anyone care to comment? I found it enjoyable, but I am biased. Much, if not all, ideas/content of the presentation can be found at http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/ particularly the speeches and the sections 'About Free Software' and 'About the GNU Project.' The French transcription is of a speech with the same origins (details and ideas), it doesn't (appear to*) contain some of the contemporary examples. *(My French was never the greatest, and babelfish only swallows so much at a time). Back to being biased, does anyone know of any quality 'anti-GNU'/'anti-copyleft' 'pro-IP'/'pro-restrictive licensing' (as ideals, not necessarily as specifics) literature/websites? I need to do a better job of balancing out information I see on these topics. Jacob jacob@bright.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:14:06 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Nielsen <colug@tcu-inc.Com> Subject: going to greet the enemy Well, it was sort of funny when I tried to register for one of MicroSofts stupid events, "Active Server Pages error 'ASP 0113' Script timed out /regsys/regsys.asp The maximum amount of time for a script to execute was exceeded. You can change this limit by specifying a new value for the property Server.ScriptTimeout or by changing the value in the IIS administration tools." Now, the thing I don't know is if they detect what browser you are using and do this crap on purpose. I tested numerous times years ago when Netscape could not bring up a webpage but IE could from the same computer. They were blocking you based on your browser or making it so IE browsers got good repsonses. I don't know how they did it, but it worked over and over again for IE browsers and not Netscape. I imagine they might be pulling the same stunt now, espeically for Netscape on Linux. They also require Javascript to run in order to register. How awful. I like infiltration. Mark - -- Mark Nielsen Certified Linux Professional and Instructor The Computer Underground, Inc. "Where 98 has no meaning." computers, programming, networking, Perl, PHP, SQL, HTMl, Linux, Unix ------------------------------ End of colug-digest V3 #38 ************************** COLUG-digest footer ================================================= Want to know more: http://static.colug.net/