From matt at mattgardlik.com  Wed Sep  1 21:23:31 2004
From: matt at mattgardlik.com (Matthew Gardlik)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:09 2005
Subject: [COLUG] import .mbox file into evolution
Message-ID: <1094088211.4722.8.camel@linux.local>

I am having a little trouble importing some .mbox files into evolution
from my apple laptop.  I think this might be do to the different end of
line or end of file characters OSX uses.  Does anybody have any
experience with this issue?  Is there a vim command to change these
characters?  Thanks,

Matt
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From KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET  Wed Sep  1 06:50:05 2004
From: KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET (Keith Larson)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:10 2005
Subject: [COLUG] from address
Message-ID: <s1357142.082@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>

I just joined your listserv and was wondering why the messages are
addressed from individuals instead of the listserv address.  I
participate in several listserv's and this is the first time that I have
seen this behavior.  I use very agressive junk mail handling rules in
groupwise because of the volume of spam that I get and it makes it so
that I have to constantly scan my junk mail folder for new posters to
your list.
 
 
 
Keith Larson
(614) 561-4887
klarson@k12group.net
 
 
 

 

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From joe at whipple.cc  Wed Sep  1 09:24:33 2004
From: joe at whipple.cc (Joe Whipple)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:10 2005
Subject: [COLUG] from address
In-Reply-To: <s1357142.082@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
References: <s1357142.082@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
Message-ID: <4135CD91.6030705@whipple.cc>

Keith,

First, welcome to the list!

The Reply To is however colug1@colug.net. You can either filter on that, 
or choose to pass anything with [COLUG] in the subject.
One of the reasons for listing the real person in the from on this list 
is sometimes we need to email the person for help off-list.

If you have any other questions, feel free to ask! We are friendly here.

Here are some of the headers you may filter in colug with:

To: <colug1@colug.net>  <-- this is always the To:
Subject: [COLUG] from address  <--- always has at least [COLUG]
X-BeenThere: colug1@colug.net
Reply-To: Central OH Linux User Group <colug1@colug.net>
List-Id: Central OH Linux User Group <colug1.colug.net>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1>,
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List-Archive: <http://www.colug.net/pipermail/colug1>
List-Post: <mailto:colug1@colug.net>
List-Help: <mailto:colug1-request@colug.net?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1>,
	<mailto:colug1-request@colug.net?subject=subscribe>



Keith Larson wrote:

> I just joined your listserv and was wondering why the messages are 
> addressed from individuals instead of the listserv address.  I 
> participate in several listserv's and this is the first time that I 
> have seen this behavior.  I use very agressive junk mail handling 
> rules in groupwise because of the volume of spam that I get and it 
> makes it so that I have to constantly scan my junk mail folder for new 
> posters to your list.
>  
>  
>  
> Keith Larson
> (614) 561-4887
> klarson@k12group.net <mailto:klarson@k12group.net>
>  
>  
>  
>
>  
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> This communication is a confidential and proprietary business 
> communication.
> It is intended solely for the use of the designated recipient(s). If this
> communication is received in error, please contact the sender and 
> delete this
> communication.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>_______________________________________________
>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>  
>

From jep200404 at columbus.rr.com  Wed Sep  1 10:01:18 2004
From: jep200404 at columbus.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:11 2005
Subject: [COLUG] spam
In-Reply-To: <s1357142.082@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
References: <s1357142.082@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
Message-ID: <20040901100118.342e7944.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>

Keith Larson <KLARSON@k12group.net> wrote:

> I use very agressive junk mail handling rules in
> groupwise because of the volume of spam that I get

This list is archived where spam farmers graze, 
so expect to get spam because you posted to this list.  

You can _greatly_ mitigate _that_ spam by using a separate 
(disposable) email address when you post to this list.  
When you eventually get spam to that address, change your 
email address.  

> ... and it makes it so
> that I have to constantly scan my junk mail folder for new posters to
> your list.

So change your junk handling rules to pass COLUG traffic.  
You could even have it delivered to the right folder.  
Study the headers.  


From syedmuneer at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 10:08:35 2004
From: syedmuneer at gmail.com (Muneer Syed)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:11 2005
Subject: [COLUG] how to access usb flash drive in linux
Message-ID: <a6aa30c204090107082a657167@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I need to access usb flash drive in linux (to avoid yesterday's mess)
Isn't usb flash drive are plug n play?
Can I pull it out directly once I am done using it or do I have to
follow any safe eject methods
 
- Muneer Ahmed Syed

From blata at extent0006.entomology.ohio-state.edu  Wed Sep  1 10:17:03 2004
From: blata at extent0006.entomology.ohio-state.edu (Wade Pinkston)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:11 2005
Subject: [COLUG] how to access usb flash drive in linux
In-Reply-To: <a6aa30c204090107082a657167@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6aa30c204090107082a657167@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4135D9DF.5000008@bugs.osu.edu>

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normally its as easy as watching your log/messages (dmesg might also so
this info) file when you plug the  drive in.  the kernel will assign it
a dev/foo (typically sd*)  then you simply mount it like so.  mount
/dev/sd* /mnt/bar

This is how I did it in RH 8-9 and fedora core 1.  but on my fedora
core2 laptop with my fuji drive it fails to assign a dev location (after
the first kernel).  You can watch all this in your log files.

Muneer Syed wrote:
| Hi,
| I need to access usb flash drive in linux (to avoid yesterday's mess)
| Isn't usb flash drive are plug n play?
| Can I pull it out directly once I am done using it or do I have to
| follow any safe eject methods
|
| - Muneer Ahmed Syed
| _______________________________________________
| colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
| http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1

- --
Wade Pinkston

Ipsa scientia potestas est

Windows,a
32 bit graphical interface for a
16 bit patch to an
8 bit operating system internally coded for a
4 bit processor written by a
2 bit company that can't stand
1 bit of competition

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From KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET  Wed Sep  1 10:24:23 2004
From: KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET (Keith Larson)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:11 2005
Subject: [COLUG] spam
Message-ID: <s135a375.091@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>

that sucks really bad.


>>> jep200404@columbus.rr.com 9/1/2004 10:01:18 AM >>>

Keith Larson <KLARSON@k12group.net> wrote:

> I use very agressive junk mail handling rules in
> groupwise because of the volume of spam that I get

This list is archived where spam farmers graze, 
so expect to get spam because you posted to this list.  

You can _greatly_ mitigate _that_ spam by using a separate 
(disposable) email address when you post to this list.  
When you eventually get spam to that address, change your 
email address.  

> ... and it makes it so
> that I have to constantly scan my junk mail folder for new posters
to
> your list.

So change your junk handling rules to pass COLUG traffic.  
You could even have it delivered to the right folder.  
Study the headers.  

_______________________________________________
colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1


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From KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET  Wed Sep  1 10:26:18 2004
From: KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET (Keith Larson)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:11 2005
Subject: [COLUG] from address
Message-ID: <s135a3d0.092@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>

the way that I have junk mail handling setup, those aren't options.  I
will probably have to explore being less agressive, but that sucks.  I
get NO spam right now.


>>> joe@whipple.cc 9/1/2004 9:24:33 AM >>>

Keith,

First, welcome to the list!

The Reply To is however colug1@colug.net. You can either filter on
that, 
or choose to pass anything with [COLUG] in the subject.
One of the reasons for listing the real person in the from on this list

is sometimes we need to email the person for help off-list.

If you have any other questions, feel free to ask! We are friendly
here.

Here are some of the headers you may filter in colug with:

To: <colug1@colug.net>  <-- this is always the To:
Subject: [COLUG] from address  <--- always has at least [COLUG]
X-BeenThere: colug1@colug.net
Reply-To: Central OH Linux User Group <colug1@colug.net>
List-Id: Central OH Linux User Group <colug1.colug.net>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1>,
    <mailto:colug1-request@colug.net?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.colug.net/pipermail/colug1>
List-Post: <mailto:colug1@colug.net>
List-Help: <mailto:colug1-request@colug.net?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1>,
    <mailto:colug1-request@colug.net?subject=subscribe>



Keith Larson wrote:

> I just joined your listserv and was wondering why the messages are 
> addressed from individuals instead of the listserv address.  I 
> participate in several listserv's and this is the first time that I 
> have seen this behavior.  I use very agressive junk mail handling 
> rules in groupwise because of the volume of spam that I get and it 
> makes it so that I have to constantly scan my junk mail folder for
new 
> posters to your list.
>  
>  
>  
> Keith Larson
> (614) 561-4887
> klarson@k12group.net <mailto:klarson@k12group.net>
>  
>  
>  
>
>  
>
>
>
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this
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> delete this
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>  
>
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From austin.gresham at avail.com  Wed Sep  1 10:27:09 2004
From: austin.gresham at avail.com (Austin Gresham)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:11 2005
Subject: [COLUG] how to access usb flash drive in linux
In-Reply-To: <a6aa30c204090107082a657167@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004401c4902f$c3d6bf70$c80ba8c0@availxpvm>

Muneer,

My dmesg output shows this when I plug in a USB drive:

usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 1276
hub.c: new USB device 00:1d.0-1.1, assigned address 3
usb.c: USB device 3 (vend/prod 0xcaf/0x2317) is not claimed by any active
driver.
SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00
Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage
scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
  Vendor:           Model:                   Rev:
  Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 02
WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured
USB Mass Storage device found at 3
USB Mass Storage support registered.
Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
SCSI device sda: 256000 512-byte hdwr sectors (131 MB)
 sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4

So, I know the USB drive is "sda" based on the last two lines.  Then just
mount it (it will most likely mount as a VFAT filesystem, so make sure the
VFAT kernel mods exist or you're out of luck).

Something like:

# mount /dev/sda /mnt/usb

(make sure /mnt/usb is a directory that exists, or pick anything else that
makes sense to you).

When finished, I would sync it before umounting it:

# sync; sync; sync
# umount /mnt/usb

Then you can eject it.

-Austin



> -----Original Message-----
> From: colug1-bounces@colug.net 
> [mailto:colug1-bounces@colug.net] On Behalf Of Muneer Syed
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:09 AM
> To: Central OH Linux User Group
> Subject: [COLUG] how to access usb flash drive in linux
> 
> 
> Hi,
> I need to access usb flash drive in linux (to avoid yesterday's mess)
> Isn't usb flash drive are plug n play?
> Can I pull it out directly once I am done using it or do I have to
> follow any safe eject methods
>  
> - Muneer Ahmed Syed
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 


From tnoe at mailsnare.net  Wed Sep  1 10:31:22 2004
From: tnoe at mailsnare.net (Thomas J. Noe)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:11 2005
Subject: [COLUG] how to access usb flash drive in linux
In-Reply-To: <a6aa30c204090107082a657167@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6aa30c204090107082a657167@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200409011031.26279.tnoe@mailsnare.net>

On Wednesday 01 September 2004 10:08, Muneer Syed wrote:
> Hi,
> I need to access usb flash drive in linux (to avoid yesterday's mess)
> Isn't usb flash drive are plug n play?
> Can I pull it out directly once I am done using it or do I have to
> follow any safe eject methods
>
> - Muneer Ahmed Syed
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1

When you go to mount it, if Linux complains about not recognizing the format 
of the drive, you can use the '-t vfat' option to force it to use FAT.

You should definitely 'umount' it after you are done with it and ready to pull 
it out of your USB port.

-- 

Best wishes,
    Tom

E: tnoe AT mailsnare DOT net
P: tnoe AT vtext DOT com

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From jep200404 at columbus.rr.com  Wed Sep  1 11:02:40 2004
From: jep200404 at columbus.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:11 2005
Subject: [COLUG] how to access usb flash drive in linux
In-Reply-To: <a6aa30c204090107082a657167@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6aa30c204090107082a657167@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040901110240.446ec6ac.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>

Muneer Syed wrote:

> I need to access usb flash drive in linux (to avoid yesterday's mess)
> Isn't usb flash drive are plug n play?

PnP does not imply automounting, only the automatic _identification_ 
of which drivers to use.  

Plug 'n Play is also called Plug 'n Pray.  

> Can I pull it out directly once I am done using it or do I have to
> follow any safe eject methods

Generally, filesystems must be mounted before they can be used.  
Removable media must be unmounted before removing it.  
Removing media before unmounting it can ruin its data.  

For example on my main Linux computer, 
to mount a flash memory drive I execute: 

   mount -t msdos -o ro,uid=jim,gid=jim /dev/sda1 ~jim/mnt

and to unmount it: 

   umount ~jim/mnt

You'll need to understand and adjust both commands.  

Some distributions of Linux will detect such drives and show 
icons for them on the GUI desktop, optionally mounting them.  

Suse 9.1 Live CD is not one of them.  
Running Suse 9.1 Live CD, I had to execute the following commands 
as root to mount and unmount my flash drive: 

   mkdir ~linux/mnt
   chown linux.users ~linux/mnt
   mount -t msdos -o ro,uid=linux,gid=users /dev/sda1 ~linux/mnt

   umount ~linux/mnt

You'll likely have to fuss around with Knoppix also to figure out 
how to mount and unmount your flash drive there.  

The difficulty of mounting and unmounting removable media 
is one of the things that really sucks about Unix and Linux, 
especially for beginners.  It's tolerable for experts, 
but not for the general desktop user.  


From paul.bender at acm.org  Wed Sep  1 11:15:18 2004
From: paul.bender at acm.org (paul.bender@acm.org)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:11 2005
Subject: [COLUG] from address
In-Reply-To: <s135a3d0.092@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
Message-ID: <200409011515.i81FFQnb014944@ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com>

On  1 Sep, Keith Larson wrote:
> the way that I have junk mail handling setup, those aren't options.  I
> will probably have to explore being less agressive, but that sucks.  I
> get NO spam right now.

It should be possible for you to add a rule to your junk mail handler
that says:
  if Subject contains [COLOG] and Reply-TO is colug1@colug.net move to
  inbox

I certainly don't get any spam from the colug list, and I've never seen
any spam come in that actually had these parameters set correctly. 

It's always possible for someone to send you spam.  If they want to
spend enough time engineering their email, it will get around your
filters.  Most spammers won't spend the time to do this, since they want
to hit as many mailboxes as possible in the shortest period of time.  

Paul
-- 
______________________________________________________________________________

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	is recognized by a nonthinking process. Because 
	definitions are a product of rigid formal thinking, 
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From josh at bitbuckets.com  Wed Sep  1 11:51:57 2004
From: josh at bitbuckets.com (Joshua Kramer)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:11 2005
Subject: [COLUG] how to access usb flash drive in linux
In-Reply-To: <200409011031.26279.tnoe@mailsnare.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409011133290.654-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>


On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Thomas J. Noe wrote:

> You should definitely 'umount' it after you are done with it and ready to pull 
> it out of your USB port.

I have a USB CF reader which, for all intents and purposes, is the same as 
a USB keychain drive.  I kept it plugged in while installing Mandrake 10, 
and there is a "removable" icon on my desktop.  So far I haven't had to 
mount/unmount, because supermount automatically flushes the cache when 
files are done writing AFAIK.  Your mileage with different distro's may 
vary.

--Josh




From syedmuneer at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 11:19:58 2004
From: syedmuneer at gmail.com (Muneer Syed)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:11 2005
Subject: [COLUG] any mirror to download knoppix
Message-ID: <a6aa30c20409010819757ef62a@mail.gmail.com>

Yesterday I night I went to www.knoppix.org and try to download iso
file from suggested mirros (i tried 3 or 4) but download estimate was
showing around 46 hours. (partly may be my internet was slow yesterday
but still 46 hrs is ages)
Can anyone suggest me fast mirror site to download knoppix

thx 
- Muneer Ahmed Syed

From DaveParfrey at brains4business.com  Wed Sep  1 11:38:22 2004
From: DaveParfrey at brains4business.com (Dave Parfrey)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:11 2005
Subject: [COLUG] from address
In-Reply-To: <s1357142.082@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
References: <s1357142.082@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
Message-ID: <200409011138.22829.DaveParfrey@brains4business.com>

On Wednesday 01 September 2004 06:50 am, Keith Larson wrote:
> I just joined your listserv and was wondering why the messages are
> addressed from individuals instead of the listserv address.  I
> participate in several listserv's and this is the first time that I have
> seen this behavior.

That seems strange to me. Virtually all the mailing lists I belong to work 
exactly the same as the colug list. Guess we hang out on different lists.

In the mail headers, you should be able to filter on this:

Sender: colug1-bounces@colug.net

On my mailing lists, the Sender always refers to the same internal account or 
owner.

Hope that helps  - Dave


From jep200404 at columbus.rr.com  Wed Sep  1 11:41:55 2004
From: jep200404 at columbus.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:11 2005
Subject: [COLUG] any mirror to download knoppix
In-Reply-To: <a6aa30c20409010819757ef62a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6aa30c20409010819757ef62a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040901114155.006459ea.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>

Muneer Syed <syedmuneer@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yesterday I night I went to www.knoppix.org and try to download iso
> file from suggested mirros (i tried 3 or 4) but download estimate was
> showing around 46 hours. (partly may be my internet was slow yesterday
> but still 46 hrs is ages)
> Can anyone suggest me fast mirror site to download knoppix

The US Knoppix mirrors are usually slow.  
Don't limit yourself to the US mirrors.  
Try the foreign mirrors also.  
Start multiple downloads into different directories and 
kill off the slow ones until you have one fast download left.  

Also, try both the http and ftp versions.  

Be sure to check the md5sum of the .iso file before burning, 
and to check the md5sum of the CD-R after burning it.  


From syedmuneer at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 11:54:37 2004
From: syedmuneer at gmail.com (Muneer Syed)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:11 2005
Subject: [COLUG] can't access USB flash drive if running linux live cd
Message-ID: <a6aa30c204090108543ca0627c@mail.gmail.com>

I think usb flash drive cannot be accessed at all if linux is running
from CD (CD-ROM)
We have to create /mnt/usb or some similar directory before mounting
You cannot execute mkdir at all as you cannot write to CD-ROM, so you
cannot mount so cannot access it also

But if it is re-writable CD then I don't know (any body came accross
such situation or tried running linux from CD which was CD-RW) I will
try this soon

-- 
- Muneer Ahmed Syed

From skippy at skippy.net  Wed Sep  1 12:01:07 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:11 2005
Subject: [COLUG] can't access USB flash drive if running linux live cd
In-Reply-To: <a6aa30c204090108543ca0627c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6aa30c204090108543ca0627c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35189.216.136.35.122.1094054467.squirrel@216.136.35.122>

Muneer Syed said:
> I think usb flash drive cannot be accessed at all if linux is running
> from CD (CD-ROM)
> We have to create /mnt/usb or some similar directory before mounting
> You cannot execute mkdir at all as you cannot write to CD-ROM, so you
> cannot mount so cannot access it also

Does a /mnt directory exist?  If so, you can try using that as the
destination for the mount command:
   mnt -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt

Are you _sure_ you can't execute mkdir?  You won't be able to write to the
hard disk, but you should be able to do whatever you want to the
filesystem that is mounted in the RAM disk.


From bill_chris at earthlink.net  Wed Sep  1 12:07:13 2004
From: bill_chris at earthlink.net (Bill Baker)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:11 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <87ba39c504083112273114dc4e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87ba39c504083112273114dc4e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1094054832.2883.44.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 15:27, Sam Bass wrote:
> Hi all,
>   This is totally off-topic...
> 
>   I've got 3 GMail invites left and no-one to give them to.  If you
> want one, send me the email address you'd like me to send it to.

I've got 6 if anybody wants any.


From holbert.13 at osu.edu  Wed Sep  1 12:09:36 2004
From: holbert.13 at osu.edu (Rick Holbert)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:12 2005
Subject: [COLUG] any mirror to download knoppix
In-Reply-To: <20040901114155.006459ea.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
References: <a6aa30c20409010819757ef62a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20040901114155.006459ea.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200409011209.36511.holbert.13@osu.edu>

You might also want to consider bittorrent:

http://www.phoneboy.com/blog/archives/2004/05/knoppix_bittorr.html

Rick

On Wednesday 01 September 2004 11:41, Jim wrote:
> Muneer Syed <syedmuneer@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yesterday I night I went to www.knoppix.org and try to download iso
> > file from suggested mirros (i tried 3 or 4) but download estimate was
> > showing around 46 hours. (partly may be my internet was slow yesterday
> > but still 46 hrs is ages)
> > Can anyone suggest me fast mirror site to download knoppix
>
> The US Knoppix mirrors are usually slow.
> Don't limit yourself to the US mirrors.
> Try the foreign mirrors also.
> Start multiple downloads into different directories and
> kill off the slow ones until you have one fast download left.
>
> Also, try both the http and ftp versions.
>
> Be sure to check the md5sum of the .iso file before burning,
> and to check the md5sum of the CD-R after burning it.
>
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1

From jep200404 at columbus.rr.com  Wed Sep  1 12:16:53 2004
From: jep200404 at columbus.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:12 2005
Subject: [COLUG] I _can_ access USB flash drive if running linux live cd
In-Reply-To: <a6aa30c204090108543ca0627c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6aa30c204090108543ca0627c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040901121653.1e5e4601.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>

Muneer wrote:

> I think usb flash drive cannot be accessed at all if linux is running
> from CD (CD-ROM)

As I wrote earlier, I _was_ able to mount my USB flash drive 
using Suse 9.1 Live CD.  

> We have to create /mnt/usb or some similar directory before mounting

Yup.  As I wrote: 

> Running Suse 9.1 Live CD, I had to execute the following commands 
> as root to mount and unmount my flash drive: 
> 
>    mkdir ~linux/mnt
>    chown linux.users ~linux/mnt
>    mount -t msdos -o ro,uid=linux,gid=users /dev/sda1 ~linux/mnt
> 
>    umount ~linux/mnt

Back to what Muneer wrote: 

> You cannot execute mkdir at all as you cannot write to CD-ROM, so you
> cannot mount so cannot access it also

Some directories you can make.  Some you can not.  
Try what I did.  

> But if it is re-writable CD then I don't know (any body came accross
> such situation or tried running linux from CD which was CD-RW) 

Using CD-RW media in a CD-RW drive would not help.  
ISO-9660 filesystems are always read only, 
regardless of how writable the media they are on is.  

Study my earlier email.  


From syedmuneer at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 12:33:28 2004
From: syedmuneer at gmail.com (Muneer Syed)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:12 2005
Subject: [COLUG] can't access USB flash drive if running linux live cd
In-Reply-To: <35189.216.136.35.122.1094054467.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
References: <a6aa30c204090108543ca0627c@mail.gmail.com>
	<35189.216.136.35.122.1094054467.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
Message-ID: <a6aa30c2040901093368fad984@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Does a /mnt directory exist?
yes it does exist but on directories in it

>  If so, you can try using that as the
> destination for the mount command:
>   mnt -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt

I will take it as mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt
(again, the command and results are hand typed not copy pasted)
# mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, or too
many mounted file systems

>
> Are you _sure_ you can't execute mkdir?  You won't be able to write to the
> hard disk, but you should be able to do whatever you want to the
> filesystem that is mounted in the RAM disk.
> 
(hand typed commands & results)
# cd mnt
# mkdir usb
mkdir: cannot create directory 'usb': Operation not permitted

I tried mkdir in different directories but getting same error

--
- Muneer Ahmed Syed

From blata at extent0006.entomology.ohio-state.edu  Wed Sep  1 12:35:56 2004
From: blata at extent0006.entomology.ohio-state.edu (Wade Pinkston)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:12 2005
Subject: [COLUG] can't access USB flash drive if running linux live cd
In-Reply-To: <a6aa30c2040901093368fad984@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6aa30c204090108543ca0627c@mail.gmail.com>	<35189.216.136.35.122.1094054467.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
	<a6aa30c2040901093368fad984@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4135FA6C.7040701@bugs.osu.edu>

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try sda1

Muneer Syed wrote:
|>Does a /mnt directory exist?
|
| yes it does exist but on directories in it
|
|
|> If so, you can try using that as the
|>destination for the mount command:
|>  mnt -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt
|
|
| I will take it as mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt
| (again, the command and results are hand typed not copy pasted)
| # mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt
| mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, or too
| many mounted file systems
|
|
|>Are you _sure_ you can't execute mkdir?  You won't be able to write to the
|>hard disk, but you should be able to do whatever you want to the
|>filesystem that is mounted in the RAM disk.
|>
|
| (hand typed commands & results)
| # cd mnt
| # mkdir usb
| mkdir: cannot create directory 'usb': Operation not permitted
|
| I tried mkdir in different directories but getting same error
|
| --
| - Muneer Ahmed Syed
| _______________________________________________
| colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
| http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1

- --
Wade Pinkston

Ipsa scientia potestas est

Windows,a
32 bit graphical interface for a
16 bit patch to an
8 bit operating system internally coded for a
4 bit processor written by a
2 bit company that can't stand
1 bit of competition

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From bob at disclosed.org  Wed Sep  1 12:40:53 2004
From: bob at disclosed.org (Robert Jewell)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:12 2005
Subject: [COLUG] from address
In-Reply-To: <s135a3d0.092@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
References: <s135a3d0.092@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
Message-ID: <200409011240.54179.bob@disclosed.org>

On Wednesday 01 September 2004 10:26 am, Keith Larson wrote:
> the way that I have junk mail handling setup, those aren't options.  I
> will probably have to explore being less agressive, but that sucks.  I
> get NO spam right now.

we can all get no spam if we filter everything into junk. :)

i agree with jim's disposable account idea.  I've created one email address 
that I give to everybody that I trust.  i use a dodgeit.com account for 
webpage registrations that I don't care about.. or one-time things (btw, 
dodgeit is great.  we must breathe RSS.)  i have bob@disclosed right now, but 
within about a month, i'm going to rotate to bob1@disclosed, bob2@disclosed, 
bob3, etc whenever the spam gets too big.. then i can have wimpy spam filters 
and miss nothing.  (right now, I think i get around 45 mails a day, 40 of 
which are spam, 38 or 39 of which are filtered.. and i've been using 
bob@disclosed for a long time.

From KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET  Wed Sep  1 13:24:03 2004
From: KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET (Keith Larson)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:12 2005
Subject: [COLUG] from address
Message-ID: <s135cd91.099@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>

my others show the list name in the from address.  now i'm really
confused because when I reply to this message it goes to the list, not
the individual by default.
 
just to clarify, my "aggressive" junk handling is a checkbox with
groupwise.  basically if you aren't in my address book or trusted sender
list it's junk.  adding the listserv to my trusted sender list deals
with this on all other lists.  it doesn't here because they come from
the members.
 


>>> DaveParfrey@brains4business.com 9/1/2004 11:38:22 AM >>>

On Wednesday 01 September 2004 06:50 am, Keith Larson wrote:
> I just joined your listserv and was wondering why the messages are
> addressed from individuals instead of the listserv address.  I
> participate in several listserv's and this is the first time that I
have
> seen this behavior.

That seems strange to me. Virtually all the mailing lists I belong to
work 
exactly the same as the colug list. Guess we hang out on different
lists.

In the mail headers, you should be able to filter on this:

Sender: colug1-bounces@colug.net

On my mailing lists, the Sender always refers to the same internal
account or 
owner.

Hope that helps  - Dave

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From paul.bender at acm.org  Wed Sep  1 14:06:31 2004
From: paul.bender at acm.org (paul.bender@acm.org)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:12 2005
Subject: [COLUG] from address
In-Reply-To: <s135cd91.099@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
Message-ID: <200409011806.i81I6ZIa006823@ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com>

Hi Keith,

On  1 Sep, Keith Larson wrote:
> my others show the list name in the from address.  now i'm really
> confused because when I reply to this message it goes to the list, not
> the individual by default.
>  
> just to clarify, my "aggressive" junk handling is a checkbox with
> groupwise.  basically if you aren't in my address book or trusted
> sender list it's junk.  adding the listserv to my trusted sender list
> deals with this on all other lists.  it doesn't here because they come
> from the members.

Are you by chance using digest mode with your other lists?

I'm subscribed to way too many lists (probably more than 40), and the
ones that I get messages from individual members all come through as
having the "From" address be the original sender, and the "Reply To"
address is the list.

The digested lists are sent differently because they are several e-mails
sent collectively as one message.  These are sent with the "From" address
being the list.

As far as I can remember, all of the mailing lists I've ever been
subscribed to have behaved as described above.

You can set up the colug list in digest mode.  That would solve your
immediate problem, and work around the apparent lack of custom
configurability in your e-mail filters.

Paul
-- 
______________________________________________________________________________

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From windon at windon.net  Wed Sep  1 14:20:21 2004
From: windon at windon.net (Chesley A. Windon)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:12 2005
Subject: [COLUG] from address
In-Reply-To: <s135cd91.099@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
References: <s135cd91.099@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.56.0409011419140.30136@aahz.windon.net>

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Keith Larson wrote:

> my others show the list name in the from address.  now i'm really
> confused because when I reply to this message it goes to the list, not
> the individual by default.

This is because of the `Reply-To' in the message header

`Reply-To: Central OH Linux User Group <colug1@colug.net>'

Chesley

From Matthew.Bond at gahanna.gov  Wed Sep  1 16:25:55 2004
From: Matthew.Bond at gahanna.gov (Matthew Bond)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:12 2005
Subject: [COLUG] ANT problems
Message-ID: <09FD61D8173F8A449503AC8D56F0E2435FD198@be-02.gahanna.gov>

When I do the last line

Export PATH=${PATH}:${ANT_HOME}/bin
I put /usr/local/ant in the the {PATH} and it says bad substitution
Do I have the syntax wrong?

-----Original Message-----
From: colug1-bounces@colug.net [mailto:colug1-bounces@colug.net] On
Behalf Of Mike McFadden
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:19 PM
To: Central OH Linux User Group
Subject: RE: [COLUG] ANT problems

Matthew,

Have you tried to run your three "export" as shown below in your shell.
 That should set the environment for ant prior to running your
./configure.  

Try running your export commands, then running ant.  You may get
something like "can't find build.xml" but that at least confirms that
ant is detecting it's environment ok.

-Mike


--- Matthew Bond <Matthew.Bond@gahanna.gov> wrote:

> I need to know how to set it up so when I run ./configure for Open
> xchange it finds ant. So far I have not have any luck and have tried
> following that install manual. I am not sure of some of the syntax
> and
> commands to use. I am fairly new to Linux. From what I gather its
> just a
> matter or mapping the command ant to the specific path but I am
> unable
> to do that.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: colug1-bounces@colug.net [mailto:colug1-bounces@colug.net] On
> Behalf Of Mike McFadden
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 4:41 PM
> To: Central OH Linux User Group
> Subject: Re: [COLUG] ANT problems
> 
> Matthew,
> 
> What problems are you having?  Is it an error or what to do to get
> started?  Think of Ant as a make tool that needs to know where your
> jdk
> is in order to find javac for example, and part of the path so you
> can
> run it from your development directory.
> 
> -Mike
> 
> --- Matthew Bond <Matthew.Bond@gahanna.gov> wrote:
> 
> > I was trying to install Open xchange and one of the requirements is
> > you
> > have Ant Apache installed. I am having problems getting Ant to
> work.
> > I
> > am trying to install it on a Red Hat 9 box. I have downloaded
> binary
> > and
> > src files but I am not really sure if I am doing things right.
> There
> > is
> > an installation manual(http://ant.apache.org/manual/index.html) I
> > believe I am having trouble with 
> > 
> > Before you can run ant there is some additional set up you will
> need
> > to
> > do:
> > 
> >     * Add the bin directory to your path.
> >     * Set the ANT_HOME environment variable to the directory where
> > you
> > installed Ant. On some operating systems the ant wrapper scripts
> can
> > guess ANT_HOME (Unix dialects and Windows NT/2000) - but it is
> better
> > to
> > not rely on this behavior.
> >     * Optionally, set the JAVA_HOME environment variable (see the
> > Advanced section below). This should be set to the directory where
> > your
> > JDK is installed.
> > 
> > And 
> > 
> > Unix (bash)
> > 
> > Assume Ant is installed in /usr/local/ant. The following sets up
> the
> > environment:
> > 
> > export ANT_HOME=/usr/local/ant
> > export JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/jdk-1.2.2
> > export PATH=${PATH}:${ANT_HOME}/bin
> > 
> > 
> > Matthew Bond
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> > http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 		
> __________________________________
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> http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 
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From chriseverest at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 16:29:59 2004
From: chriseverest at gmail.com (Chris Everest)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:12 2005
Subject: [COLUG] GMAIL Invites
Message-ID: <864321e20409011329172bbd87@mail.gmail.com>

3 invites. who wants them?

-- 
Chris Everest
http://linux-iv.ath.cx/

From Matthew.Bond at gahanna.gov  Wed Sep  1 16:41:16 2004
From: Matthew.Bond at gahanna.gov (Matthew Bond)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:12 2005
Subject: [COLUG] ANT problems
Message-ID: <09FD61D8173F8A449503AC8D56F0E2435FD19D@be-02.gahanna.gov>

Ok when I type in Export PATH=${ant}:${ANT_HOME}/bin

Now try to run ant I get

buildfile: build.xml does not exist build failed

But after I do that I loose commands like ls, chmod, mkdir, and so on

-----Original Message-----
From: colug1-bounces@colug.net [mailto:colug1-bounces@colug.net] On
Behalf Of Matthew Bond
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 4:26 PM
To: Central OH Linux User Group
Subject: RE: [COLUG] ANT problems

When I do the last line

Export PATH=${PATH}:${ANT_HOME}/bin
I put /usr/local/ant in the the {PATH} and it says bad substitution
Do I have the syntax wrong?

-----Original Message-----
From: colug1-bounces@colug.net [mailto:colug1-bounces@colug.net] On
Behalf Of Mike McFadden
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:19 PM
To: Central OH Linux User Group
Subject: RE: [COLUG] ANT problems

Matthew,

Have you tried to run your three "export" as shown below in your shell.
 That should set the environment for ant prior to running your
./configure.  

Try running your export commands, then running ant.  You may get
something like "can't find build.xml" but that at least confirms that
ant is detecting it's environment ok.

-Mike


--- Matthew Bond <Matthew.Bond@gahanna.gov> wrote:

> I need to know how to set it up so when I run ./configure for Open
> xchange it finds ant. So far I have not have any luck and have tried
> following that install manual. I am not sure of some of the syntax
> and
> commands to use. I am fairly new to Linux. From what I gather its
> just a
> matter or mapping the command ant to the specific path but I am
> unable
> to do that.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: colug1-bounces@colug.net [mailto:colug1-bounces@colug.net] On
> Behalf Of Mike McFadden
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 4:41 PM
> To: Central OH Linux User Group
> Subject: Re: [COLUG] ANT problems
> 
> Matthew,
> 
> What problems are you having?  Is it an error or what to do to get
> started?  Think of Ant as a make tool that needs to know where your
> jdk
> is in order to find javac for example, and part of the path so you
> can
> run it from your development directory.
> 
> -Mike
> 
> --- Matthew Bond <Matthew.Bond@gahanna.gov> wrote:
> 
> > I was trying to install Open xchange and one of the requirements is
> > you
> > have Ant Apache installed. I am having problems getting Ant to
> work.
> > I
> > am trying to install it on a Red Hat 9 box. I have downloaded
> binary
> > and
> > src files but I am not really sure if I am doing things right.
> There
> > is
> > an installation manual(http://ant.apache.org/manual/index.html) I
> > believe I am having trouble with 
> > 
> > Before you can run ant there is some additional set up you will
> need
> > to
> > do:
> > 
> >     * Add the bin directory to your path.
> >     * Set the ANT_HOME environment variable to the directory where
> > you
> > installed Ant. On some operating systems the ant wrapper scripts
> can
> > guess ANT_HOME (Unix dialects and Windows NT/2000) - but it is
> better
> > to
> > not rely on this behavior.
> >     * Optionally, set the JAVA_HOME environment variable (see the
> > Advanced section below). This should be set to the directory where
> > your
> > JDK is installed.
> > 
> > And 
> > 
> > Unix (bash)
> > 
> > Assume Ant is installed in /usr/local/ant. The following sets up
> the
> > environment:
> > 
> > export ANT_HOME=/usr/local/ant
> > export JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/jdk-1.2.2
> > export PATH=${PATH}:${ANT_HOME}/bin
> > 
> > 
> > Matthew Bond
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> > http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 		
> __________________________________
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From jep200404 at columbus.rr.com  Wed Sep  1 16:43:01 2004
From: jep200404 at columbus.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:12 2005
Subject: [COLUG] mounting stuff under Suse 9.1 Live CD
In-Reply-To: <a6aa30c2040901093368fad984@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6aa30c204090108543ca0627c@mail.gmail.com>
	<35189.216.136.35.122.1094054467.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
	<a6aa30c2040901093368fad984@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040901164301.45216d32.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>

Muneer wrote: 

> > Does a /mnt directory exist?
> yes it does exist but on directories in it

I do not understand your sentence.  
What did you mean to say?  

> # mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt
> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, or too
> many mounted file systems

Well, first you have to know if and how your flash drive is formatted.  
What is the output of the fdisk -l /dev/sda command?  
Note that the mount command above mounts /dev/sda, 
while my command in my letter mounted /dev/sda1.  
I have not see your results from trying my commands 
which I tested with the version of Linux that you are using.  

If you continue to have trouble accessing a USB flash drive, 
then try using a floppy drive.  Do you have a floppy drive on 
your laptop computer?  If so. use it.  
Format your floppy on a Windows computer first.  

Execute the following commands as root to mount and unmount an 
already MS-DOS formatted floppy disk under Suse 9.1 Live CD: 

   mkdir ~linux/floppy
   chown linux.users ~linux/floppy
   mount -t msdos -o uid=linux,gid=users /dev/fd0 ~linux/floppy

   umount ~linux/floppy

> (hand typed commands & results)
> # cd mnt
> # mkdir usb
> mkdir: cannot create directory 'usb': Operation not permitted
> I tried mkdir in different directories but getting same error

Try the commands that I tested and documented for you in earlier 
email, then report the results back to the list.  


From blata at extent0006.entomology.ohio-state.edu  Wed Sep  1 17:03:04 2004
From: blata at extent0006.entomology.ohio-state.edu (Wade Pinkston)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:12 2005
Subject: [COLUG] can't access USB flash drive if running linux live cd
In-Reply-To: <a6aa30c2040901093368fad984@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6aa30c204090108543ca0627c@mail.gmail.com>	<35189.216.136.35.122.1094054467.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
	<a6aa30c2040901093368fad984@mail.gmail.com>
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I realize that my last message probably ddidn't make sense (thanks jim).
~ What I meant to say is that you kernel will probably not only assign a
device "sda" but also a partition "1".  Therefor, your flash drive would
be recognized by your OS as /dev/sda1  When you perform the mount command

mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt

replace sda with sda1.

mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt

There is always the possibility that you os is not assigning it as sda
but rather sdb or sdc etc.  You really need to watch dmesg while you
plug in the drive to see what you kernel decides to call the new drive.

# tail -f dmesg

this will keep appending new output to the screen.  That way when you
plug the drive in you will see the kernels log output.  To exit tail hit
ctl+c.

give that a try.  Better jim? :)


try sda1

Muneer Syed wrote:
|>Does a /mnt directory exist?
|
| yes it does exist but on directories in it
|
|
|> If so, you can try using that as the
|>destination for the mount command:
|>  mnt -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt
|
|
| I will take it as mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt
| (again, the command and results are hand typed not copy pasted)
| # mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt
| mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, or too
| many mounted file systems
|
|
|>Are you _sure_ you can't execute mkdir?  You won't be able to write to the
|>hard disk, but you should be able to do whatever you want to the
|>filesystem that is mounted in the RAM disk.
|>
|
| (hand typed commands & results)
| # cd mnt
| # mkdir usb
| mkdir: cannot create directory 'usb': Operation not permitted
|
| I tried mkdir in different directories but getting same error
|
| --
| - Muneer Ahmed Syed
| _______________________________________________
| colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
| http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1

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From syedmuneer at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 17:20:28 2004
From: syedmuneer at gmail.com (Muneer Syed)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:12 2005
Subject: [COLUG] mounting stuff under Suse 9.1 Live CD
In-Reply-To: <20040901164301.45216d32.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
References: <a6aa30c204090108543ca0627c@mail.gmail.com>
	<35189.216.136.35.122.1094054467.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
	<a6aa30c2040901093368fad984@mail.gmail.com>
	<20040901164301.45216d32.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <a6aa30c20409011420173852de@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:43:01 -0400, Jim <jep200404@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> Muneer wrote:
> 
> > > Does a /mnt directory exist?
> > yes it does exist but on directories in it
> 
> I do not understand your sentence.
> What did you mean to say?
> 
oops
I meant "yes it does exist but no directories in it"
 
- Muneer Ahmed Syed

From robb at bossleyfamily.com  Wed Sep  1 19:26:43 2004
From: robb at bossleyfamily.com (Robb Bossley)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:12 2005
Subject: hardware at home   [COLUG]
In-Reply-To: <200408311917.25186.john@burroway.net>
References: <1093642634.4132.2.camel@amd64.home.mattgardlik.com>
	<200408310802.35564.john@burroway.net>
	<20040831084119.3153ed23.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
	<200408311917.25186.john@burroway.net>
Message-ID: <20040901232643.3817e1bf@Samuel.bigbobs.org>

What do you mean by trade up?  I have a 486/66 that I am using for some operations.  (Mostly, just as a firewall, but it does the job!)

My wife gives me "the look" sometimes too.  Of course, the basement would be full of computer junk if she didn't sometimes.

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:17:25 -0400
John Burroway <john@burroway.net> wrote:

> On Tuesday 31 August 2004 08:41 am, Jim wrote:
> > Old PCs that are too slow to bear the burden of Windows XP
> > have plenty of steam left to huff live into a server
> > and are free (as in beer).  Would you like some old PCs?
> 
> How old? I might be willing to trade up, but if I get too many more, my wife 
> will give me "the look".
> 
> John Burroway
> www.burroway.net
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1

From rfunk at funknet.net  Wed Sep  1 22:39:50 2004
From: rfunk at funknet.net (Rob Funk)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:13 2005
Subject: [COLUG] how to access usb flash drive in linux
In-Reply-To: <004401c4902f$c3d6bf70$c80ba8c0@availxpvm>
References: <004401c4902f$c3d6bf70$c80ba8c0@availxpvm>
Message-ID: <200409012239.50085.rfunk@funknet.net>

Austin Gresham wrote:
> When finished, I would sync it before umounting it:
>
> # sync; sync; sync
> # umount /mnt/usb

There's absolutely no need to sync before unmounting.  The sync sync sync 
trick is for when you need to disconnect/unplug a disk without unmounting, 
and it's best done as separately typed commands rather than all on the same 
line.


Also, it's not necessary to make a subdirectory under /mnt for mounting; in 
fact, nobody I knew ever did that until Red Hat started shipping 
with /mnt/cdrom, /mnt/floppy, and so on.  Traditional Unix heads always 
used /mnt directly as a temporary mount point.  When you do want to create 
a specific directory for mounting but can't do it in the usual places, go 
ahead and stick it under /tmp; nothing wrong with mounting to /tmp/usb.


Here's my solution for mounting the USB flash drive:

1. Create a /flash directory in the root directory.
(Yeah, this clutters up the root directory a little, but I think it's worth 
the saved typing.)

2. Add the following line to /etc/fstab:
/dev/sda1 /flash vfat rw,user,noauto,noatime 0 0
(Note that it's sda1, not sda.  Also note the user option.)

3. Setup is done!

When I want to use it:
1. Plug it in.
2. mount /flash (as a normal user)
3. do my transfers
4. when I'm done, make sure all files on the flash drive are closed and I'm 
not sitting in the directory in any way, then: umount /flash

The only catch here is that if you have multiple such devices (say, a USB 
key and a camera) there may be an sdb sometimes.  I make a second directory 
and fstab line for that.  Advanced users running kernel 2.6 may want to 
look into udev in this case.

-- 
==============================| "A slice of life isn't the whole cake
 Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> | One tooth will never make a full grin"
 http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"

From rfunk at funknet.net  Wed Sep  1 22:26:48 2004
From: rfunk at funknet.net (Rob Funk)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:13 2005
Subject: [COLUG] spam
In-Reply-To: <20040901100118.342e7944.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
References: <s1357142.082@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
	<20040901100118.342e7944.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200409012226.48867.rfunk@funknet.net>

Jim wrote:
> You can _greatly_ mitigate _that_ spam by using a separate
> (disposable) email address when you post to this list.
> When you eventually get spam to that address, change your
> email address.

I've found that once bogofilter is properly primed and tuned (and I keep it 
trained properly), I get maybe one spam a week, while a hundred or so a day 
go directly to my spambox.  No need to worry so much about my address 
getting out.

http://bogofilter.sourceforge.net/
-- 
==============================| "A slice of life isn't the whole cake
 Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> | One tooth will never make a full grin"
 http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"

From wolf at mail.bitwolf.com  Thu Sep  2 02:26:51 2004
From: wolf at mail.bitwolf.com (wolf)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:13 2005
Subject: hardware at home [COLUG] 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 01 Sep 2004 23:26:43 -0000."
	<20040901232643.3817e1bf@Samuel.bigbobs.org> 
Message-ID: <200409020626.i826QpQL002632@fenris.bitwolf.com>

In a tome entitled <20040901232643.3817e1bf@Samuel.bigbobs.org>, Robb Bossley h
as written:
> 
> My wife gives me "the look" sometimes too.  Of course, the basement would be 
>  full of computer junk if she didn't sometimes.

Sigh, the kids have informed me that they want the basement back
for cold weather play.  Looks like the 486's are going out the
door, probably some of the slower Pentiums too.

Paul


From austin.gresham at avail.com  Thu Sep  2 07:24:26 2004
From: austin.gresham at avail.com (Austin Gresham)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:13 2005
Subject: [COLUG] how to access usb flash drive in linux
In-Reply-To: <200409012239.50085.rfunk@funknet.net>
Message-ID: <001301c490df$67d510e0$c80ba8c0@availxpvm>

> > When finished, I would sync it before umounting it:
> >
> > # sync; sync; sync
> > # umount /mnt/usb
> 
> There's absolutely no need to sync before unmounting.  The 
> sync sync sync 
> trick is for when you need to disconnect/unplug a disk 
> without unmounting, 
> and it's best done as separately typed commands rather than 
> all on the same 
> line.
> 

Like I said, old habits...  I don't agree, though, that typing them on a
separate line makes any difference.  I have not seen any indication that
pressing ENTER between commands does anything differently that separating
them with ;

> 
> Also, it's not necessary to make a subdirectory under /mnt 
> for mounting; in 
> fact, nobody I knew ever did that until Red Hat started shipping 
> with /mnt/cdrom, /mnt/floppy, and so on.  Traditional Unix 
> heads always 
> used /mnt directly as a temporary mount point.  When you do 
> want to create 
> a specific directory for mounting but can't do it in the 
> usual places, go 
> ahead and stick it under /tmp; nothing wrong with mounting to 
> /tmp/usb.

True...  In the AIX world I don't use any subdirs under /mnt, which I've
been working with much longer than Linux.  I do use RedHat, though, for most
of my Linux boxen, so that is a "new" habit...

> 
> 
> Here's my solution for mounting the USB flash drive:
> 
> 1. Create a /flash directory in the root directory.
> (Yeah, this clutters up the root directory a little, but I 
> think it's worth 
> the saved typing.)
> 
> 2. Add the following line to /etc/fstab:
> /dev/sda1 /flash vfat rw,user,noauto,noatime 0 0
> (Note that it's sda1, not sda.  Also note the user option.)

I might also suggest the "sync" option, which forces the I/O to be
synchronous, meaning that it writes (sort of) directly to the device without
caching the writes in memory first.  So that also makes my "sync" commands
above moot.  This is what I have in my fstab, so I don't even use the sync
command(s) before umounting.

I also have some hotplug stuff going on, which makes matters a little more
complicated, but that's way more than Muneer needs right now...

> 
> 3. Setup is done!
> 
> When I want to use it:
> 1. Plug it in.
> 2. mount /flash (as a normal user)
> 3. do my transfers
> 4. when I'm done, make sure all files on the flash drive are 
> closed and I'm 
> not sitting in the directory in any way, then: umount /flash
> 
> The only catch here is that if you have multiple such devices 
> (say, a USB 
> key and a camera) there may be an sdb sometimes.  I make a 
> second directory 
> and fstab line for that.  Advanced users running kernel 2.6 
> may want to 
> look into udev in this case.
> 
> -- 
> ==============================| "A slice of life isn't the whole cake
>  Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> | One tooth will never make a full grin"
>  http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 



From austin.gresham at avail.com  Thu Sep  2 07:28:26 2004
From: austin.gresham at avail.com (Austin Gresham)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:13 2005
Subject: [COLUG] how to access usb flash drive in linux
In-Reply-To: <200409012239.50085.rfunk@funknet.net>
Message-ID: <001401c490df$f6ee0fc0$c80ba8c0@availxpvm>

 
> 2. Add the following line to /etc/fstab:
> /dev/sda1 /flash vfat rw,user,noauto,noatime 0 0
> (Note that it's sda1, not sda.  Also note the user option.)
> 

Also strange that my USB key requires that I use "/dev/sda" and not a
particular partition on the device itself.  If I try sda1, etc, I get an
error...  Does anyone else use a Buslink "BusDrive" keychain?


From joe at whipple.cc  Thu Sep  2 08:37:06 2004
From: joe at whipple.cc (Joe Whipple)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:13 2005
Subject: [COLUG] mounting stuff under Suse 9.1 Live CD
In-Reply-To: <a6aa30c20409011420173852de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6aa30c204090108543ca0627c@mail.gmail.com>	<35189.216.136.35.122.1094054467.squirrel@216.136.35.122>	<a6aa30c2040901093368fad984@mail.gmail.com>	<20040901164301.45216d32.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
	<a6aa30c20409011420173852de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <413713F2.3040308@whipple.cc>

I believe SuSE puts the mount points for floppy/etc in the /media directory.

Joe


Muneer Syed wrote:

>On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:43:01 -0400, Jim <jep200404@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Muneer wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>Does a /mnt directory exist?
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>yes it does exist but on directories in it
>>>      
>>>
>>I do not understand your sentence.
>>What did you mean to say?
>>
>>    
>>
>oops
>I meant "yes it does exist but no directories in it"
> 
>- Muneer Ahmed Syed
>_______________________________________________
>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>  
>

From rfunk at funknet.net  Thu Sep  2 10:38:34 2004
From: rfunk at funknet.net (Rob Funk)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:13 2005
Subject: [COLUG] how to access usb flash drive in linux
In-Reply-To: <001301c490df$67d510e0$c80ba8c0@availxpvm>
References: <001301c490df$67d510e0$c80ba8c0@availxpvm>
Message-ID: <200409021038.35533.rfunk@funknet.net>

Austin Gresham wrote:
> Like I said, old habits...  I don't agree, though, that typing them on a
> separate line makes any difference.  I have not seen any indication that
> pressing ENTER between commands does anything differently that separating
> them with ;

Doing it all in one line makes the computer do it three times with no break 
in between, which isn't really much different from doing it just once.

Typing it three separate times means that the computer has time to give 
attention to other processes while you're typing the syncs, rather than 
doing so afterward.  Those other processes might generate disk writes.

Generally typing sync two separate times is good enough, but the third time 
is a combination of overengineering, tradition, and maybe even 
superstition.  If you pay close attention to what the disk is doing when 
you do the sync, you'll often notice it whir heavily after the first sync, 
a little bit after the second, and not at all after the third.  Again, 
doing it all on one line is equivalent to doing it only once since there's 
almost no time in between.

-- 
==============================| "A slice of life isn't the whole cake
 Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> | One tooth will never make a full grin"
 http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"

From brett at bnbstauffer.net  Thu Sep  2 11:18:31 2004
From: brett at bnbstauffer.net (Brett Stauffer)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:13 2005
Subject: [COLUG] import .mbox file into evolution
In-Reply-To: <1094088211.4722.8.camel@linux.local>
References: <1094088211.4722.8.camel@linux.local>
Message-ID: <1094138311.413739c75f395@bnbstauffer.net>

Quoting Matthew Gardlik <matt@mattgardlik.com>:

> I am having a little trouble importing some .mbox files into evolution
> from my apple laptop.  I think this might be do to the different end of
> line or end of file characters OSX uses.  Does anybody have any
> experience with this issue?  Is there a vim command to change these
> characters?

If I'm not mistaken, OSX uses a carriage return (\r) for a newline, while
most Unices use a line feed (\n).  The simplest way to convert is using the
'tr' program:

    tr '\r' '\n' < mailbox.mac > mailbox.unix

This should work at the OSX terminal command line or any other Unix-like
shell.

--brett

From brucehohl at yahoo.com  Thu Sep  2 08:26:37 2004
From: brucehohl at yahoo.com (Bruce Hohl)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:13 2005
Subject: hardware at home [COLUG] 
In-Reply-To: <200409020626.i826QpQL002632@fenris.bitwolf.com>
Message-ID: <20040902122637.83061.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com>

--- wolf <wolf@mail.bitwolf.com> wrote:
> In a tome entitled
> <20040901232643.3817e1bf@Samuel.bigbobs.org>, Robb
> Bossley has written:
> > 
> > My wife gives me "the look" sometimes too.  Of
> > course, the basement would be 
> > full of computer junk if she didn't sometimes.
> 
> Sigh, the kids have informed me that they want the
> basement back for cold weather play.  Looks like the
> 486's are going out the door, probably some of the
> slower Pentiums too.
> 
> Paul
> 
At home:

>From the wife I seem to have unofficial approval for 3
computers, one of which must run Windows.  So I
generously offer my family one Windows 98 box on VIA
800 processor ;).

At 4 computers I get '"the look"'.  That is, even if I
try to make the 4th PC inconspicuous by using a kvm
and setting the boxes side by side.

At 5 computers I am constantly reminded of my various
faults like the the pool table that *I* bought, and
*never* use, and is taking up the kids play space in
the basement.  

I have never flirted with 6 computers.  Currently I
have 3 working pc's and most of a 4th hidden in a
cabinet.  Sometimes I think about reviving that pc
with a nice new mainboard and cpu but my marriage is
good. 


		
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From jep200404 at columbus.rr.com  Thu Sep  2 14:50:39 2004
From: jep200404 at columbus.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:13 2005
Subject: hardware at home [COLUG]
In-Reply-To: <20040902122637.83061.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <200409020626.i826QpQL002632@fenris.bitwolf.com>
	<20040902122637.83061.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040902145039.0fb84857.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>

Bruce Hohl <brucehohl@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From the wife I seem to have unofficial approval for 3
> computers, 

> At 4 computers I get '"the look"'.  

> At 5 computers I am constantly reminded of my various
> faults 

Get one big box.  Label it as a computer.  
Put multiple computers inside it.  

Never open the big box in the presence of others.  


From syedmuneer at gmail.com  Thu Sep  2 15:16:17 2004
From: syedmuneer at gmail.com (Muneer Syed)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:13 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Investigating Partitions and Hidden Stuff
In-Reply-To: <20040831173524.0d5ca3d4.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
References: <a6aa30c2040831074011e2835a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20040831114217.4ea151ae.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
	<a6aa30c2040831091569137db9@mail.gmail.com>
	<200408311306.57696.rfunk@funknet.net>
	<20040831133222.66e030dc.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
	<20040831134813.2c38bb5a.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
	<a6aa30c2040831132862613a98@mail.gmail.com>
	<20040831173524.0d5ca3d4.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <a6aa30c20409021216168cecaf@mail.gmail.com>

Here is the fdisk, cat /proc/ide , partitions result for my notebook
In knoppix environment
(If attachment is problem then from next time I can send by pasting
whole thing in the mail)
-Muneer
-------------- next part --------------
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# fdisk -l /dev/hda
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# fdisk -l /dev/hdc

Disk /dev/hdc: 60.0 GB, 60011642880 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 7296 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hdc1   *           1        1305    10482381    7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/hdc2            1306        7295    48114675    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/hdc5            1306        3916    20972826    7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/hdc6            3917        7295    27141786    7  HPFS/NTFS
root@ttyp0[knoppix]#
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# fdisk -l /dev/hdd
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# fdisk -l /dev/hde
root@ttyp0[knoppix]#
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# ls /proc/ide
drivers  hda  hdc  ide0  ide1  piix
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# ls /proc/ide/hda
capacity  driver  identify  media  model  settings
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# cat /proc/ide/hda/capacity
2147483647
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# cat /proc/ide/hda/driver
ide-scsi version 0.93
root@ttyp0[knoppix]#
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# cat /proc/ide/hda/geometry
cat: /proc/ide/hda/geometry: No such file or directory
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# cat /proc/ide/hda/media
cdrom
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# cat /proc/ide/hda/model
QSI CD-RW/DVD-ROM SBW242U
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# cat /proc/ide/hda/settings
name                    value           min             max             mode
----                    -----           ---             ---             ----
bios_cyl                1024            0               1023            rw
bios_head               255             0               255             rw
bios_sect               63              0               63              rw
current_speed           0               0               70              rw
init_speed              0               0               70              rw
io_32bit                0               0               3               rw
keepsettings            0               0               1               rw
log                     0               0               1               rw
nice1                   1               0               1               rw
number                  0               0               3               rw
pio_mode                write-only      0               255             w
slow                    0               0               1               rw
transform               1               0               3               rw
unmaskirq               0               0               1               rw
using_dma               1               0               1               rw
root@ttyp0[knoppix]#
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# ls /proc/ide/hdc
cache     driver    identify  model     smart_thresholds
capacity  geometry  media     settings  smart_values
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# cat /proc/ide/hdc/capacity
117210240
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# cat /proc/ide/hdc/driver
ide-disk version 1.17
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# cat /proc/ide/hdc/geometry
physical     7296/255/63
logical      7296/255/63
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# cat /proc/ide/hdc/media
disk
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# cat /proc/ide/hdc/model
HTS726060M9AT00
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# cat /proc/ide/hdc/settings
name                    value           min             max             mode
----                    -----           ---             ---             ----
acoustic                0               0               254             rw
address                 1               0               2               rw
bios_cyl                7296            0               65535           rw
bios_head               255             0               255             rw
bios_sect               63              0               63              rw
breada_readahead        8               0               255             rw
bswap                   0               0               1               r
current_speed           0               0               70              rw
failures                0               0               65535           rw
file_readahead          124             0               16384           rw
init_speed              0               0               70              rw
io_32bit                0               0               3               rw
keepsettings            0               0               1               rw
lun                     0               0               7               rw
max_failures            1               0               65535           rw
max_kb_per_request      128             1               255             rw
multcount               16              0               16              rw
nice1                   1               0               1               rw
nowerr                  0               0               1               rw
number                  2               0               3               rw
pio_mode                write-only      0               255             w
slow                    0               0               1               rw
unmaskirq               0               0               1               rw
using_dma               1               0               1               rw
wcache                  0               0               1               rw
root@ttyp0[knoppix]#
root@ttyp0[knoppix]# cat /proc/partitions
major minor  #blocks  name

   8     0     125952 sda
   8     1     125296 sda1
  22     0   58605120 hdc
  22     1   10482381 hdc1
  22     2          1 hdc2
  22     5   20972826 hdc5
  22     6   27141786 hdc6
root@ttyp0[knoppix]#
From wolf at mail.bitwolf.com  Thu Sep  2 16:23:08 2004
From: wolf at mail.bitwolf.com (wolf)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:13 2005
Subject: [COLUG] how to access usb flash drive in linux 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:38:34 EDT."
	<200409021038.35533.rfunk@funknet.net> 
Message-ID: <200409022023.i82KN8b9004594@fenris.bitwolf.com>

In a tome entitled <200409021038.35533.rfunk@funknet.net>, Rob Funk has written
:
> Austin Gresham wrote:
> > Like I said, old habits...  I don't agree, though, that typing them on a
> > separate line makes any difference.
> 
> Doing it all in one line makes the computer do it three times with no break 
> in between, which isn't really much different from doing it just once.
> 
> Typing it three separate times means that the computer has time to give 
> attention to other processes while you're typing the syncs, rather than 
> doing so afterward.  Those other processes might generate disk writes.

Historically, the first sync is to flush the buffers.  This may
cause updates to directories and superblocks, which are buffered.
The second sync flushes this data.  This may cause ( more )
superblock updates to be buffered.  Thus, the third sync.

If you check "man 2 sync", Linux now waits to return from a sync
until the buffer flush is completed.  ( Note, however a device's
internal cache may no be fully flushed at this point. )  Thus:

	sync ; sync ; sync
and:
	sync
	sync
	sync

are effectively equivilent.  However, under some UNIX-oids, the
first example may have the subsequent syncs executing _before_
the updates from the earlier sync's have occurred.  In fact, if
you're racing a floppy or on a disk i/o congested system, you
may be able to hand type these commands too fast.

That said, the third sync is often unnecessary, and the conse-
quences of leaving out the second sync too can be limited.
There are even some UNIX-oid kernels that try to flush all disk
activity, including those writes caused by the sync.  Of course
the properly paranoid option is a triple sync.

Paul

From jep200404 at columbus.rr.com  Thu Sep  2 16:42:40 2004
From: jep200404 at columbus.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:13 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Investigating Partitions and Hidden Stuff
In-Reply-To: <a6aa30c20409021216168cecaf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6aa30c2040831074011e2835a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20040831114217.4ea151ae.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
	<a6aa30c2040831091569137db9@mail.gmail.com>
	<200408311306.57696.rfunk@funknet.net>
	<20040831133222.66e030dc.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
	<20040831134813.2c38bb5a.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
	<a6aa30c2040831132862613a98@mail.gmail.com>
	<20040831173524.0d5ca3d4.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
	<a6aa30c20409021216168cecaf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040902164240.646d8741.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>

Muneer wrote: 

> Here is the fdisk, cat /proc/ide , partitions result for my notebook
> In knoppix environment

Thanks!  

I am able to read your fdisk_proc_logs.txt attachment.  

> root@ttyp0[knoppix]# fdisk -l /dev/hda

It's interesting how this output is completely 
different than that from Suse Live CD.  

We learn from those differences.  

> root@ttyp0[knoppix]# fdisk -l /dev/hdc
> 
> Disk /dev/hdc: 60.0 GB, 60011642880 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 7296 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> 
>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/hdc1   *           1        1305    10482381    7  HPFS/NTFS
> /dev/hdc2            1306        7295    48114675    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
> /dev/hdc5            1306        3916    20972826    7  HPFS/NTFS
> /dev/hdc6            3917        7295    27141786    7  HPFS/NTFS
> root@ttyp0[knoppix]#

OK.  I am reassured about /dev/hdc.  

> root@ttyp0[knoppix]# ls /proc/ide
> drivers  hda  hdc  ide0  ide1  piix

It's nice to see this.  It lets me know that I'm not missing something.  

> root@ttyp0[knoppix]# ls /proc/ide/hda
> capacity  driver  identify  media  model  settings
> root@ttyp0[knoppix]# cat /proc/ide/hda/capacity
> 2147483647

Hmmm.  That's an interesting capacity.  
Probably just some driver artifact of decompressing stuff.  

[jep@table jep]$ bc
bc 1.06
Copyright 1991-1994, 1997, 1998, 2000 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
For details type `warranty'.
(2^31)-1
2147483647
[jep@table jep]$

I'm not going to worry about it.  

> root@ttyp0[knoppix]# cat /proc/ide/hda/model
> QSI CD-RW/DVD-ROM SBW242U

It's nice to know what media you can burn.  

> root@ttyp0[knoppix]# ls /proc/ide/hdc
> cache     driver    identify  model     smart_thresholds
> capacity  geometry  media     settings  smart_values
> root@ttyp0[knoppix]# cat /proc/ide/hdc/capacity
> 117210240

[jep@table jep]$ bc
bc 1.06
Copyright 1991-1994, 1997, 1998, 2000 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
For details type `warranty'.
117210240*512
60011642880
[jep@table jep]$

OK.  This is reassuring.  

> root@ttyp0[knoppix]# cat /proc/ide/hdc/driver
> ide-disk version 1.17
> root@ttyp0[knoppix]# cat /proc/ide/hdc/geometry
> physical     7296/255/63
> logical      7296/255/63

[jep@table jep]$ bc
bc 1.06
Copyright 1991-1994, 1997, 1998, 2000 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
For details type `warranty'.
7296*255*63
117210240
[jep@table jep]$

OK.  This is reassuring.  

> root@ttyp0[knoppix]# cat /proc/partitions
> major minor  #blocks  name
> 
>    8     0     125952 sda
>    8     1     125296 sda1
>   22     0   58605120 hdc
>   22     1   10482381 hdc1
>   22     2          1 hdc2
>   22     5   20972826 hdc5
>   22     6   27141786 hdc6
> root@ttyp0[knoppix]#

These results look good and are reassuring.  

It's interesting that both Linux live CDs on your laptop 
think of /dev/hda as the CD/DVD drive and of /dev/hdc 
as the hard drive.  I don't see that kind of drive assignments 
on my desktop.  

Thanks Muneer, 

Jim


From joe at whipple.cc  Thu Sep  2 16:49:05 2004
From: joe at whipple.cc (Joe Whipple)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:13 2005
Subject: hardware at home [COLUG]
In-Reply-To: <20040902145039.0fb84857.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
References: <200409020626.i826QpQL002632@fenris.bitwolf.com>	<20040902122637.83061.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20040902145039.0fb84857.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <41378741.1010208@whipple.cc>

Is this from personal experience?

:)

Joe


Jim wrote:

>Bruce Hohl <brucehohl@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>From the wife I seem to have unofficial approval for 3
>>computers, 
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>At 4 computers I get '"the look"'.  
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>At 5 computers I am constantly reminded of my various
>>faults 
>>    
>>
>
>Get one big box.  Label it as a computer.  
>Put multiple computers inside it.  
>
>Never open the big box in the presence of others.  
>
>_______________________________________________
>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>  
>

From rholbert at fastmail.fm  Thu Sep  2 17:05:12 2004
From: rholbert at fastmail.fm (Rick Holbert)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:13 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Red Hat Network Down
In-Reply-To: <200409022023.i82KN8b9004594@fenris.bitwolf.com>
References: <200409022023.i82KN8b9004594@fenris.bitwolf.com>
Message-ID: <200409021705.12493.rholbert@fastmail.fm>

So much for our software update subscription for AS 3.

Several updates came out today, so I guess their servers just got swamped.

Here's what their web site says:

Technical Difficulties

Red Hat Network is currently experiencing technical difficulties.

We apologize for any inconvenience this outage may cause.

Thank you for using Red Hat Network. 

From blitz at post891.org  Thu Sep  2 11:42:37 2004
From: blitz at post891.org (Patrick blitz)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:14 2005
Subject: [COLUG] how to access usb flash drive in linux
References: <001401c490df$f6ee0fc0$c80ba8c0@availxpvm>
Message-ID: <005101c49103$7ddafed0$1b0ca8c0@securetec.lan>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Austin Gresham" <austin.gresham@avail.com>
To: "'Central OH Linux User Group'" <colug1@colug.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 1:28 PM
Subject: RE: [COLUG] how to access usb flash drive in linux


>
> > 2. Add the following line to /etc/fstab:
> > /dev/sda1 /flash vfat rw,user,noauto,noatime 0 0
> > (Note that it's sda1, not sda.  Also note the user option.)
> >
>
> Also strange that my USB key requires that I use "/dev/sda" and not a
> particular partition on the device itself.  If I try sda1, etc, I get an
> error...  Does anyone else use a Buslink "BusDrive" keychain?
>
mine does that to..
i think it's common behavior for usb-sticks, as they don't have partitions..


>


From KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET  Fri Sep  3 06:49:56 2004
From: KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET (Keith Larson)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:14 2005
Subject: [COLUG] error on my part
Message-ID: <s1381418.050@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>

it seems that the whole discussion about the addressing of this listserv
was simply an error on my part or something.  when prompted to "trust a
sender" you are given the choice to trust the specific address or the
domain name.  originally, i selected the domain name and continued to
find your messages in my junk mail folder.  i changed that to the
colug1@colug.net and deleted all of your individual addresses and it is
now working just fine.  nothing has done to the junk folder yet.
 
sorry for the mistake.
 
 
 
Keith Larson
(614) 561-4887
klarson@k12group.net
 
 
 

 

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From john at burroway.net  Fri Sep  3 07:54:03 2004
From: john at burroway.net (John Burroway)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:14 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <1094054832.2883.44.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <87ba39c504083112273114dc4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1094054832.2883.44.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200409030754.03118.john@burroway.net>

On Wednesday 01 September 2004 12:07 pm, Bill Baker wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 15:27, Sam Bass wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >   This is totally off-topic...
> >
> >   I've got 3 GMail invites left and no-one to give them to.  If you
> > want one, send me the email address you'd like me to send it to.
>
> I've got 6 if anybody wants any.

I'll take an invite, if anyone has any left.

From john at burroway.net  Fri Sep  3 07:50:17 2004
From: john at burroway.net (John Burroway)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:14 2005
Subject: hardware at home   [COLUG]
In-Reply-To: <20040901232643.3817e1bf@Samuel.bigbobs.org>
References: <1093642634.4132.2.camel@amd64.home.mattgardlik.com>
	<200408311917.25186.john@burroway.net>
	<20040901232643.3817e1bf@Samuel.bigbobs.org>
Message-ID: <200409030750.17872.john@burroway.net>

On Wednesday 01 September 2004 07:26 pm, Robb Bossley wrote:
> What do you mean by trade up?  I have a 486/66 that I am using for some
> operations.  (Mostly, just as a firewall, but it does the job!)
>
> My wife gives me "the look" sometimes too.  Of course, the basement would
> be full of computer junk if she didn't sometimes.

Actually, I recently agreed to get rid of all the slower machines, which is 
basically everything slower than a 166 P1. 

Of course that still leaves me with three 166s, two 200s, a 233 laptop, two 
PII 350s, and a Celeron 1200.

John Burroway
www.burroway.net

From john at burroway.net  Sat Sep  4 21:46:26 2004
From: john at burroway.net (John Burroway)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:14 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <200409030754.03118.john@burroway.net>
References: <87ba39c504083112273114dc4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1094054832.2883.44.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200409030754.03118.john@burroway.net>
Message-ID: <200409042146.26875.john@burroway.net>

On Friday 03 September 2004 07:54 am, John Burroway wrote:
> On Wednesday 01 September 2004 12:07 pm, Bill Baker wrote:
> > On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 15:27, Sam Bass wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >   This is totally off-topic...
> > >
> > >   I've got 3 GMail invites left and no-one to give them to.  If you
> > > want one, send me the email address you'd like me to send it to.
> >
> > I've got 6 if anybody wants any.
>
> I'll take an invite, if anyone has any left.


Yow! Thanks for the invitations, guys!
I shall now do the happy geek dance.

John Burroway
www.burroway.net

From rkward at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  5 21:13:56 2004
From: rkward at yahoo.com (Keith Ward)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:14 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <200409030754.03118.john@burroway.net>
Message-ID: <DOELIMFCEIFLMDKJAPJIAEEMCIAA.rkward@yahoo.com>

Likewise, I'll take one.

Thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: colug1-bounces@colug.net [mailto:colug1-bounces@colug.net]On
Behalf Of John Burroway
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 07:54
To: Central OH Linux User Group
Subject: Re: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em


On Wednesday 01 September 2004 12:07 pm, Bill Baker wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 15:27, Sam Bass wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >   This is totally off-topic...
> >
> >   I've got 3 GMail invites left and no-one to give them to.  If you
> > want one, send me the email address you'd like me to send it to.
>
> I've got 6 if anybody wants any.

I'll take an invite, if anyone has any left.
_______________________________________________
colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1

From jim at rossberry.com  Mon Sep  6 08:21:22 2004
From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:14 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <DOELIMFCEIFLMDKJAPJIAEEMCIAA.rkward@yahoo.com>
References: <DOELIMFCEIFLMDKJAPJIAEEMCIAA.rkward@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409060821150.397@newross.rossberry.private>

I'll take one.

On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, Keith Ward wrote:

> Likewise, I'll take one.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: colug1-bounces@colug.net [mailto:colug1-bounces@colug.net]On
> Behalf Of John Burroway
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 07:54
> To: Central OH Linux User Group
> Subject: Re: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
> 
> 
> On Wednesday 01 September 2004 12:07 pm, Bill Baker wrote:
> > On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 15:27, Sam Bass wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >   This is totally off-topic...
> > >
> > >   I've got 3 GMail invites left and no-one to give them to.  If you
> > > want one, send me the email address you'd like me to send it to.
> >
> > I've got 6 if anybody wants any.
> 
> I'll take an invite, if anyone has any left.
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> _______________________________________________
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> 

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"Our political way of life is by the laws of nature, of nature's God, and
of course presupposes the existence of God, the moral ruler of the
universe, and a rule of right and wrong, of just and unjust, binding upon
man, preceding all institutions of human society and government."
John Quincy Adamns

From skippy at skippy.net  Fri Sep  3 09:08:20 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:14 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <200409030754.03118.john@burroway.net>
References: <87ba39c504083112273114dc4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1094054832.2883.44.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200409030754.03118.john@burroway.net>
Message-ID: <37462.216.136.35.122.1094216900.squirrel@216.136.35.122>

John Burroway said:
> I'll take an invite, if anyone has any left.

Sent!


From colug at jmglov.net  Thu Sep  2 08:35:03 2004
From: colug at jmglov.net (Josh Glover)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:14 2005
Subject: [COLUG] how to access usb flash drive in linux
In-Reply-To: <200409012239.50085.rfunk@funknet.net>
References: <004401c4902f$c3d6bf70$c80ba8c0@availxpvm>
	<200409012239.50085.rfunk@funknet.net>
Message-ID: <20040902123503.GB7146%jmglov@jmglov.net>

Quoth Rob Funk (Wed 2004-09-01 10:39:50PM -0400):

> Traditional Unix heads always 
> used /mnt directly as a temporary mount point.  When you do want to create 
> a specific directory for mounting but can't do it in the usual places, go 
> ahead and stick it under /tmp; nothing wrong with mounting to /tmp/usb.

One problem with creating mount points in /tmp: they may well go away on
the next reboot, as Solaris (and several other Unices) clean out /tmp on
boot. If you are just talking about temporary mount points, /tmp is a
pretty good place.

I think /mnt/cdrom, /mnt/cdr, /mnt/flash, etc, are here to stay. Hell,
even Debian does it that way now, IIRC.

-- 
Josh Glover

Gentoo Developer (http://dev.gentoo.org/~jmglov/)
Tokyo Linux Users Group Listmaster (http://www.tlug.jp/)

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From colug at jmglov.net  Thu Sep  2 08:31:07 2004
From: colug at jmglov.net (Josh Glover)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:14 2005
Subject: [COLUG] from address
In-Reply-To: <s135cd91.099@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
References: <s135cd91.099@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
Message-ID: <20040902123107.GA7146%jmglov@jmglov.net>

Quoth Keith Larson (Wed 2004-09-01 01:24:03PM -0400):

> just to clarify, my "aggressive" junk handling is a checkbox with
> groupwise.  basically if you aren't in my address book or trusted sender
> list it's junk.  adding the listserv to my trusted sender list deals
> with this on all other lists.  it doesn't here because they come from
> the members.

Pure whitelisting, as you have just discovered, has its drawbacks. If you
do not have the ability to set up a separate account for your COLUG mail
that is not whitelist-only, consider getting a free webmail account to
use for COLUG (just make sure that you can configure it to not send HTML
email). Or, if you need all of your mail in one place, look into the
possibility that Groupwise is hiding some "advanced" settings from you
somewhere. Finally, you could switch mail clients.

Perhaps the best solution, as someone previously pointed out, is turning
on digest mode, so you would get COLUG list traffic once a week, aggreg-
ated.

Cheers,
Josh

-- 
Josh Glover

Gentoo Developer (http://dev.gentoo.org/~jmglov/)
Tokyo Linux Users Group Listmaster (http://www.tlug.jp/)

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From skippy at skippy.net  Mon Sep  6 09:27:23 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:14 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409060821150.397@newross.rossberry.private>
References: <DOELIMFCEIFLMDKJAPJIAEEMCIAA.rkward@yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0409060821150.397@newross.rossberry.private>
Message-ID: <413C65BB.6010708@skippy.net>

Jim Wildman wrote:
> I'll take one.

Sent.

From bill_chris at earthlink.net  Mon Sep  6 09:27:17 2004
From: bill_chris at earthlink.net (Bill Baker)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:14 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <37462.216.136.35.122.1094216900.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
References: <87ba39c504083112273114dc4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1094054832.2883.44.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200409030754.03118.john@burroway.net>
	<37462.216.136.35.122.1094216900.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
Message-ID: <1094477236.29299.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 09:08, Scott Merrill wrote:
> John Burroway said:
> > I'll take an invite, if anyone has any left.
> 
> Sent!

I already sent one to him and Jim Wildman, but I don't seem to be able
to send anything to the COLUG list.


From skippy at skippy.net  Thu Sep  2 12:12:12 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:14 2005
Subject: [COLUG] import .mbox file into evolution
In-Reply-To: <1094138311.413739c75f395@bnbstauffer.net>
References: <1094088211.4722.8.camel@linux.local>
	<1094138311.413739c75f395@bnbstauffer.net>
Message-ID: <36439.216.136.35.122.1094141532.squirrel@216.136.35.122>

Brett Stauffer said:
> Quoting Matthew Gardlik <matt@mattgardlik.com>:
>
>> I am having a little trouble importing some .mbox files into evolution
>> from my apple laptop.  I think this might be do to the different end of
>> line or end of file characters OSX uses.  Does anybody have any
>> experience with this issue?  Is there a vim command to change these
>> characters?
>
> If I'm not mistaken, OSX uses a carriage return (\r) for a newline, while
> most Unices use a line feed (\n).  The simplest way to convert is using
> the
> 'tr' program:

Having just recently engaged in an in-depth argument about the history
behind the different newline conventions, I'd like to share this as
reference:
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline

OSX uses Line Feed (\n).



From skippy at skippy.net  Mon Sep  6 10:30:49 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:14 2005
Subject: [COLUG] how to access usb flash drive in linux
In-Reply-To: <20040902123503.GB7146%jmglov@jmglov.net>
References: <004401c4902f$c3d6bf70$c80ba8c0@availxpvm>	<200409012239.50085.rfunk@funknet.net>
	<20040902123503.GB7146%jmglov@jmglov.net>
Message-ID: <413C7499.10101@skippy.net>

Josh Glover wrote:
  > One problem with creating mount points in /tmp: they may well go away on
> the next reboot, as Solaris (and several other Unices) clean out /tmp on
> boot. If you are just talking about temporary mount points, /tmp is a
> pretty good place.

Debian cleans /tmp on boot.

> I think /mnt/cdrom, /mnt/cdr, /mnt/flash, etc, are here to stay. Hell,
> even Debian does it that way now, IIRC.

Debian 3.0 has top-level /floppy and /cdrom directories, which are used 
for mounting.  Not sure how the forthcoming Debian 3.1 handles this, 
though I think it's probably unchanged.

From jmayo1 at columbus.rr.com  Mon Sep  6 07:09:15 2004
From: jmayo1 at columbus.rr.com (Jeremy Mayo)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:14 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <DOELIMFCEIFLMDKJAPJIAEEMCIAA.rkward@yahoo.com>
References: <DOELIMFCEIFLMDKJAPJIAEEMCIAA.rkward@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <413C455B.70209@columbus.rr.com>

Keith Ward wrote:

>Likewise, I'll take one.
>
>Thanks!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: colug1-bounces@colug.net [mailto:colug1-bounces@colug.net]On
>Behalf Of John Burroway
>Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 07:54
>To: Central OH Linux User Group
>Subject: Re: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
>
>
>On Wednesday 01 September 2004 12:07 pm, Bill Baker wrote:
>  
>
>>On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 15:27, Sam Bass wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>  This is totally off-topic...
>>>
>>>  I've got 3 GMail invites left and no-one to give them to.  If you
>>>want one, send me the email address you'd like me to send it to.
>>>      
>>>
>>I've got 6 if anybody wants any.
>>    
>>
>
>I'll take an invite, if anyone has any left.
>_______________________________________________
>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>_______________________________________________
>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>
>  
>
i'll take one


From bill_chris at earthlink.net  Mon Sep  6 12:59:45 2004
From: bill_chris at earthlink.net (Bill Baker)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:14 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <1094477236.29299.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <87ba39c504083112273114dc4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1094054832.2883.44.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200409030754.03118.john@burroway.net>
	<37462.216.136.35.122.1094216900.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
	<1094477236.29299.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1094489984.29299.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2004-09-06 at 09:27, Bill Baker wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 09:08, Scott Merrill wrote:
> > John Burroway said:
> > > I'll take an invite, if anyone has any left.
> > 
> > Sent!
> 
> I already sent one to him and Jim Wildman, but I don't seem to be able
> to send anything to the COLUG list.

Except for that one, I guess.  And hopefully this one.


From bill_chris at earthlink.net  Mon Sep  6 13:18:08 2004
From: bill_chris at earthlink.net (Bill Baker)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:15 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <413C455B.70209@columbus.rr.com>
References: <DOELIMFCEIFLMDKJAPJIAEEMCIAA.rkward@yahoo.com>
	<413C455B.70209@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1094491086.29299.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2004-09-06 at 07:09, Jeremy Mayo wrote:
> i'll take one
> 

Sent!


From ian.m.wilson at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 14:38:27 2004
From: ian.m.wilson at gmail.com (Ian Wilson)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:15 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Debian DNS Issues
Message-ID: <cd554d6204090611385429d508@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks;

I'm having some issues with getting DNS to work right on my debian box.

When I try to ping things, I'm getting an:

  ping: unknown host osu.edu

whenever I attempt to ping something.  However, if I want to ping the
ip address directly, I'll get:

  Reply from 128.146.48.174: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=228

I've got the nameservers portion of /etc/resolv.conf set with:

nameserver 24.95.80.45
nameserver 24.95.80.41
nameserver 65.24.0.163

(which are the DNS entries for my ISP, all of which are pingable from
the machine)

What am I doing wrong?  Any help greatly appreciated.


Ian

From matt at mattgardlik.com  Mon Sep  6 14:51:17 2004
From: matt at mattgardlik.com (Matthew Gardlik)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:15 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Compiling Apache DSO's
Message-ID: <1094496676.2875.9.camel@amd64.home.mattgardlik.com>

When I recently compiled apache2, I forgot to include mod_ssl.  But, I
enabled DSO's.  I would now like to compile ssl as a DSO, but am running
into a little trouble.  I think aspx is having a little trouble finding
some of the files to include.  Does anybody have any helpful hints?

Here is what I get:

[root@home ssl]# /usr/local/apache2/bin/apxs -c mod_ssl.c
/usr/local/apache2/build/libtool --silent --mode=compile gcc
-prefer-pic  -DAP_HAVE_DESIGNATED_INITIALIZER -DLINUX=2 -D_REENTRANT
-D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_SVID_SOURCE -D_GNU_SOURCE -g -O2
-pthread -I/usr/local/apache2/include  -I/usr/local/apache2/include
-I/usr/local/apache2/include   -c -o mod_ssl.lo mod_ssl.c && touch
mod_ssl.slo
In file included from mod_ssl.c:26:
mod_ssl.h:91:17: ssl.h: No such file or directory
mod_ssl.h:93:18: x509.h: No such file or directory
mod_ssl.h:94:17: pem.h: No such file or directory
mod_ssl.h:95:20: crypto.h: No such file or directory
mod_ssl.h:96:17: evp.h: No such file or directory
mod_ssl.h:97:18: rand.h: No such file or directory
In file included from mod_ssl.h:109,
                 from mod_ssl.c:26:
ssl_toolkit_compat.h:196:2: #error "Unrecognized SSL Toolkit!"
In file included from mod_ssl.h:111,
                 from mod_ssl.c:26:
ssl_util_ssl.h:57: error: syntax error before '*' token
ssl_util_ssl.h:58: error: syntax error before '*' token
ssl_util_ssl.h:59: error: syntax error before '*' token
ssl_util_ssl.h:59: error: syntax error before "X509"
ssl_util_ssl.h:59: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
ssl_util_ssl.h:60: error: syntax error before '*' token
ssl_util_ssl.h:60: error: syntax error before "EVP_PKEY"
ssl_util_ssl.h:60: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
ssl_util_ssl.h:61: error: syntax error before '*' token
ssl_util_ssl.h:62: error: syntax error before '*' token
ssl_util_ssl.h:62: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
ssl_util_ssl.h:63: error: syntax error before '*' token
ssl_util_ssl.h:64: error: syntax error before "SSL"
ssl_util_ssl.h:65: error: syntax error before '*' token
ssl_util_ssl.h:66: error: syntax error before '*' token
ssl_util_ssl.h:67: error: syntax error before "X509"
ssl_util_ssl.h:68: error: syntax error before "STACK_OF"
ssl_util_ssl.h:69: error: syntax error before "STACK_OF"
ssl_util_ssl.h:70: error: syntax error before '*' token
ssl_util_ssl.h:74: error: syntax error before '*' token
ssl_util_ssl.h:76: error: syntax error before '*' token
ssl_util_ssl.h:77: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
In file included from mod_ssl.c:26:
mod_ssl.h:381: error: syntax error before "SSL"
mod_ssl.h:381: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
mod_ssl.h:383: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.h:383: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
mod_ssl.h:391: error: syntax error before '}' token
mod_ssl.h:391: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
mod_ssl.h:428: error: syntax error before "X509"
mod_ssl.h:428: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
mod_ssl.h:429: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
mod_ssl.h:430: error: syntax error before '}' token
mod_ssl.h:430: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
mod_ssl.h:436: error: syntax error before "STACK_OF"
mod_ssl.h:436: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
mod_ssl.h:437: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
mod_ssl.h:456: error: syntax error before "SSL_CTX"
mod_ssl.h:456: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
mod_ssl.h:459: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
mod_ssl.h:460: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.h:460: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
mod_ssl.h:473: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.h:473: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
mod_ssl.h:476: error: syntax error before '}' token
mod_ssl.h:476: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
mod_ssl.h:485: error: syntax error before "modssl_ctx_t"
mod_ssl.h:485: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
mod_ssl.h:486: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
mod_ssl.h:487: error: syntax error before '}' token
mod_ssl.h:565: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.h:565: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
mod_ssl.h:578: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.h:578: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.h:578: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
mod_ssl.h:579: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.h:579: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.h:579: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
mod_ssl.h:580: error: syntax error before "X509_STORE_CTX"
mod_ssl.h:581: error: syntax error before "X509_STORE_CTX"
mod_ssl.h:582: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.h:583: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.h:584: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.h:584: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.h:584: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
mod_ssl.h:585: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.h:586: error: syntax error before "int"
mod_ssl.h:594: error: syntax error before "SSL_SESSION"
mod_ssl.h:595: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.h:595: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
mod_ssl.h:602: error: syntax error before "SSL_SESSION"
mod_ssl.h:603: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.h:603: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
mod_ssl.h:610: error: syntax error before "SSL_SESSION"
mod_ssl.h:611: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.h:611: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
mod_ssl.h:618: error: syntax error before "SSL_SESSION"
mod_ssl.h:619: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.h:619: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
mod_ssl.h:628: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.h:628: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
mod_ssl.h:629: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.h:629: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
mod_ssl.h:675: error: syntax error before "SSL"
mod_ssl.h:677: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.h:693: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.c:217: error: syntax error before '*' token
mod_ssl.c: In function `ssl_init_connection_ctx':
mod_ssl.c:219: error: `sslconn' undeclared (first use in this function)
mod_ssl.c:219: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
mod_ssl.c:219: error: for each function it appears in.)
mod_ssl.c:219: error: syntax error before ')' token
mod_ssl.c: In function `ssl_proxy_enable':
mod_ssl.c:236: error: `sslconn' undeclared (first use in this function)
mod_ssl.c:238: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
mod_ssl.c:241: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
mod_ssl.c: In function `ssl_engine_disable':
mod_ssl.c:256: error: `sslconn' undeclared (first use in this function)
mod_ssl.c:258: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
mod_ssl.c: In function `ssl_hook_pre_connection':
mod_ssl.c:272: error: `SSL' undeclared (first use in this function)
mod_ssl.c:272: error: `ssl' undeclared (first use in this function)
mod_ssl.c:273: error: `sslconn' undeclared (first use in this function)
mod_ssl.c:273: error: syntax error before ')' token
mod_ssl.c:275: error: `mctx' undeclared (first use in this function)
mod_ssl.c:280: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
mod_ssl.c:304: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
mod_ssl.c:312: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
mod_ssl.c:312: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
mod_ssl.c:330: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
mod_ssl.c:331: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
mod_ssl.c:356: error: `X509_V_OK' undeclared (first use in this
function)
mod_ssl.c: In function `ssl_hook_http_method':
mod_ssl.c:367: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
mod_ssl.c: In function `ssl_hook_default_port':
mod_ssl.c:378: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
apxs:Error: Command failed with rc=65536


Thanks,

Matt


From tom at functionalmedia.com  Sat Sep  4 11:51:05 2004
From: tom at functionalmedia.com (tom@functionalmedia.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:15 2005
Subject: [COLUG] from address
In-Reply-To: <s135cd91.099@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
Message-ID: <3AEEB490-FE8A-11D8-AFB3-00039317745E@functionalmedia.com>


On Wednesday, September 1, 2004, at 01:24  PM, Keith Larson wrote:

> my others show the list name in the from address.? now i'm really 
> confused because when I reply to this message it goes to the list, not 
> the individual by default.
> ?
> just to clarify, my "aggressive" junk handling is a checkbox with 
> groupwise.? basically if you aren't in my address book or trusted 
> sender list it's junk.? adding the listserv to my trusted sender list 
> deals with this on all other lists.? it doesn't here because they come 
> from the members.
> ?
>

Seems like "aggressive" == clunky and inflexible. I imagine however 
that there is some way to get the behavior you seek.
Any tutorials on what email headers mean, what they do, what an email 
really is (text file) and the like, that someone can point folks to to 
give them the lowdown on email filtering ? Seems like this is 
continuing to be an issue on the list.... Or if someone wanted to write 
a quick web page that covers the details....

Tom
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From joe at whipple.cc  Mon Sep  6 15:41:49 2004
From: joe at whipple.cc (Joe Whipple)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:15 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Debian DNS Issues
In-Reply-To: <cd554d6204090611385429d508@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd554d6204090611385429d508@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <413CBD7D.7000901@whipple.cc>

What if you ping a host instead of a domain?
It could be they dont have a record for osu.edu.

Joe


Ian Wilson wrote:

>Hi folks;
>
>I'm having some issues with getting DNS to work right on my debian box.
>
>When I try to ping things, I'm getting an:
>
>  ping: unknown host osu.edu
>
>whenever I attempt to ping something.  However, if I want to ping the
>ip address directly, I'll get:
>
>  Reply from 128.146.48.174: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=228
>
>I've got the nameservers portion of /etc/resolv.conf set with:
>
>nameserver 24.95.80.45
>nameserver 24.95.80.41
>nameserver 65.24.0.163
>
>(which are the DNS entries for my ISP, all of which are pingable from
>the machine)
>
>What am I doing wrong?  Any help greatly appreciated.
>
>
>Ian
>_______________________________________________
>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>  
>

From skippy at skippy.net  Mon Sep  6 16:02:25 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:15 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Debian DNS Issues
In-Reply-To: <cd554d6204090611385429d508@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd554d6204090611385429d508@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <413CC251.2040009@skippy.net>

Ian Wilson wrote:
> When I try to ping things, I'm getting an:
> 
>   ping: unknown host osu.edu
> 
> whenever I attempt to ping something.  However, if I want to ping the
> ip address directly, I'll get:
> 
>   Reply from 128.146.48.174: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=228

Can you view www.osu.edu in a web browser?

> I've got the nameservers portion of /etc/resolv.conf set with:
> 
> nameserver 24.95.80.45
> nameserver 24.95.80.41
> nameserver 65.24.0.163
> 
> (which are the DNS entries for my ISP, all of which are pingable from
> the machine)

Before switching to our own caching name server at work, we would 
occassionally experience symptoms such as this.  After a few minutes, 
everything would work again.  I can only assume it was a temporary 
glitch at our ISP.

From bill_chris at earthlink.net  Mon Sep  6 07:16:00 2004
From: bill_chris at earthlink.net (Bill Baker)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:15 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <DOELIMFCEIFLMDKJAPJIAEEMCIAA.rkward@yahoo.com>
References: <DOELIMFCEIFLMDKJAPJIAEEMCIAA.rkward@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1094469355.29299.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2004-09-05 at 21:13, Keith Ward wrote:
> Likewise, I'll take one.
> 
> Thanks!

Sent.


From ian.m.wilson at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 19:10:28 2004
From: ian.m.wilson at gmail.com (Ian Wilson)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:15 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Debian DNS Issues
In-Reply-To: <cd554d62040906141035f6a72c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd554d6204090611385429d508@mail.gmail.com>
	<413CC251.2040009@skippy.net>
	<cd554d62040906141035f6a72c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cd554d6204090616106e254a03@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:02:25 -0400, Scott Merrill <skippy@skippy.net> wrote:
> Can you view www.osu.edu in a web browser?

On this machine, No.  Other Machines in my home network, yes.

The big problem is that it's only debian-specific, on this machine.
My Fedora, SuSE, FreeBSD, and *cough* windows *cough* boxen seem to be
able to get to websites just fine...and this box seems to only have an
issue getting out.

I can ping websites and other addresses just fine;  other boxes will
resolve the name.  I'm just bumping my head trying to figure out where
it's being fubared up.

Ian

From amgad at amgad.org  Mon Sep  6 20:01:27 2004
From: amgad at amgad.org (Amgad Fahmy)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:15 2005
Subject: Recall: [COLUG] Debian DNS Issues
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAARFErvq0efES2ybTHYoPnv8KAAAAQAAAALB2f1Ui4xkKRurY4PJejTQEAAAAA@telenalysis.com>

Amgad Fahmy would like to recall the message, "[COLUG] Debian DNS Issues".
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From amgad at amgad.org  Mon Sep  6 20:01:47 2004
From: amgad at amgad.org (Amgad Fahmy)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:15 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Debian DNS Issues
In-Reply-To: <cd554d6204090611385429d508@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAARFErvq0efES2ybTHYoPnv8KAAAAQAAAALB2f1Ui4xkKRurY4PJejTQEAAAAA@telenalysis.com>

Use dig or nslookup 
And query the dns server see if you can talk to it or not.
If you can ask osu.edu, see what you get may be a firewall issue on either
side ..!


Thanks
Amgad Fahmy
-----Original Message-----
From: colug1-bounces@colug.net [mailto:colug1-bounces@colug.net] On Behalf
Of Ian Wilson
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 2:38 PM
To: colug1@colug.net
Subject: [COLUG] Debian DNS Issues

Hi folks;

I'm having some issues with getting DNS to work right on my debian box.

When I try to ping things, I'm getting an:

  ping: unknown host osu.edu

whenever I attempt to ping something.  However, if I want to ping the
ip address directly, I'll get:

  Reply from 128.146.48.174: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=228

I've got the nameservers portion of /etc/resolv.conf set with:

nameserver 24.95.80.45
nameserver 24.95.80.41
nameserver 65.24.0.163

(which are the DNS entries for my ISP, all of which are pingable from
the machine)

What am I doing wrong?  Any help greatly appreciated.


Ian
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From pat at linuxcolumbus.com  Mon Sep  6 20:12:13 2004
From: pat at linuxcolumbus.com (Pat Collins)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:15 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Debian DNS Issues
In-Reply-To: <cd554d6204090611385429d508@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd554d6204090611385429d508@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040907001213.GB13114@linuxcolumbus.com>

On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 02:38:27PM -0400, Ian Wilson wrote:
> Hi folks;
> 
> I'm having some issues with getting DNS to work right on my debian box.
> 
> When I try to ping things, I'm getting an:
> 
>   ping: unknown host osu.edu
> 
> whenever I attempt to ping something.  However, if I want to ping the
> ip address directly, I'll get:
> 
>   Reply from 128.146.48.174: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=228
> 
> I've got the nameservers portion of /etc/resolv.conf set with:
> 
> nameserver 24.95.80.45
> nameserver 24.95.80.41
> nameserver 65.24.0.163
>

Looks like rr dns.  Setup your local cache own using djbdns (dnscache)  or
dnsmasq.


bash-2.05b$dnsqr a osu.edu
1 osu.edu:
41 bytes, 1+1+0+0 records, response, noerror
query: 1 osu.edu
answer: osu.edu 3482 A 128.146.48.174

My local cache has no problem resolving.  Lets try yours.

bash-2.05b$ dnsq a osu.edu 24.95.80.45
1 osu.edu:
124 bytes, 1+1+2+2 records, response, weird ra, noerror
query: 1 osu.edu
answer: osu.edu 717 A 128.146.48.174
authority: osu.edu 644 NS ns1.net.ohio-state.edu
authority: osu.edu 644 NS ns2.net.ohio-state.edu
additional: ns1.net.ohio-state.edu 3134 A 128.146.1.7
additional: ns2.net.ohio-state.edu 3134 A 128.146.48.7
bash-2.05b$ dnsq a osu.edu 24.95.80.41
1 osu.edu:
124 bytes, 1+1+2+2 records, response, weird ra, noerror
query: 1 osu.edu
answer: osu.edu 898 A 128.146.48.174
authority: osu.edu 809 NS ns2.net.ohio-state.edu
authority: osu.edu 809 NS ns1.net.ohio-state.edu
additional: ns1.net.ohio-state.edu 3529 A 128.146.1.7
additional: ns2.net.ohio-state.edu 3529 A 128.146.48.7
bash-2.05b$ dnsq a osu.edu 65.24.0.163
1 osu.edu:
92 bytes, 1+0+2+1 records, response, weird ra, noerror
query: 1 osu.edu
authority: osu.edu 616 NS ns2.net.ohio-state.edu
authority: osu.edu 616 NS ns1.net.ohio-state.edu
additional: ns2.net.ohio-state.edu 1989 A 128.146.48.7

Didn't get an answer from 65.24.0.163.

Pat
PS the dnsq dnsqr commands are part of djbdns.

From dollzerr at iwaynet.net  Mon Sep  6 21:28:11 2004
From: dollzerr at iwaynet.net (Jess Balint)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:15 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Compiling Apache DSO's
In-Reply-To: <1094496676.2875.9.camel@amd64.home.mattgardlik.com>
References: <1094496676.2875.9.camel@amd64.home.mattgardlik.com>
Message-ID: <413D0EAB.4020705@iwaynet.net>

Those headers probably come from OpenSSL or whatever, so you either

a) need to install openssl dev package w/headers

or

b) need to instruct apxs where to find them

If you can verify they exist, you can maybe make a link of the files 
into /usr/include or /usr/local/include so that you won't have to coerce 
apxs into finding them.

~ Jess

Matthew Gardlik wrote:
> When I recently compiled apache2, I forgot to include mod_ssl.  But, I
> enabled DSO's.  I would now like to compile ssl as a DSO, but am running
> into a little trouble.  I think aspx is having a little trouble finding
> some of the files to include.  Does anybody have any helpful hints?
> 
> Here is what I get:
> 
> [root@home ssl]# /usr/local/apache2/bin/apxs -c mod_ssl.c
> /usr/local/apache2/build/libtool --silent --mode=compile gcc
> -prefer-pic  -DAP_HAVE_DESIGNATED_INITIALIZER -DLINUX=2 -D_REENTRANT
> -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_SVID_SOURCE -D_GNU_SOURCE -g -O2
> -pthread -I/usr/local/apache2/include  -I/usr/local/apache2/include
> -I/usr/local/apache2/include   -c -o mod_ssl.lo mod_ssl.c && touch
> mod_ssl.slo
> In file included from mod_ssl.c:26:
> mod_ssl.h:91:17: ssl.h: No such file or directory
> mod_ssl.h:93:18: x509.h: No such file or directory
> mod_ssl.h:94:17: pem.h: No such file or directory
> mod_ssl.h:95:20: crypto.h: No such file or directory
> mod_ssl.h:96:17: evp.h: No such file or directory
> mod_ssl.h:97:18: rand.h: No such file or directory
> In file included from mod_ssl.h:109,
>                  from mod_ssl.c:26:
> ssl_toolkit_compat.h:196:2: #error "Unrecognized SSL Toolkit!"
> In file included from mod_ssl.h:111,
>                  from mod_ssl.c:26:
> ssl_util_ssl.h:57: error: syntax error before '*' token
> ssl_util_ssl.h:58: error: syntax error before '*' token
> ssl_util_ssl.h:59: error: syntax error before '*' token
> ssl_util_ssl.h:59: error: syntax error before "X509"
> ssl_util_ssl.h:59: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> ssl_util_ssl.h:60: error: syntax error before '*' token
> ssl_util_ssl.h:60: error: syntax error before "EVP_PKEY"
> ssl_util_ssl.h:60: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> ssl_util_ssl.h:61: error: syntax error before '*' token
> ssl_util_ssl.h:62: error: syntax error before '*' token
> ssl_util_ssl.h:62: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> ssl_util_ssl.h:63: error: syntax error before '*' token
> ssl_util_ssl.h:64: error: syntax error before "SSL"
> ssl_util_ssl.h:65: error: syntax error before '*' token
> ssl_util_ssl.h:66: error: syntax error before '*' token
> ssl_util_ssl.h:67: error: syntax error before "X509"
> ssl_util_ssl.h:68: error: syntax error before "STACK_OF"
> ssl_util_ssl.h:69: error: syntax error before "STACK_OF"
> ssl_util_ssl.h:70: error: syntax error before '*' token
> ssl_util_ssl.h:74: error: syntax error before '*' token
> ssl_util_ssl.h:76: error: syntax error before '*' token
> ssl_util_ssl.h:77: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> In file included from mod_ssl.c:26:
> mod_ssl.h:381: error: syntax error before "SSL"
> mod_ssl.h:381: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
> mod_ssl.h:383: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.h:383: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> mod_ssl.h:391: error: syntax error before '}' token
> mod_ssl.h:391: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> mod_ssl.h:428: error: syntax error before "X509"
> mod_ssl.h:428: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
> mod_ssl.h:429: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> mod_ssl.h:430: error: syntax error before '}' token
> mod_ssl.h:430: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> mod_ssl.h:436: error: syntax error before "STACK_OF"
> mod_ssl.h:436: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
> mod_ssl.h:437: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> mod_ssl.h:456: error: syntax error before "SSL_CTX"
> mod_ssl.h:456: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
> mod_ssl.h:459: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> mod_ssl.h:460: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.h:460: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> mod_ssl.h:473: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.h:473: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> mod_ssl.h:476: error: syntax error before '}' token
> mod_ssl.h:476: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> mod_ssl.h:485: error: syntax error before "modssl_ctx_t"
> mod_ssl.h:485: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
> mod_ssl.h:486: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> mod_ssl.h:487: error: syntax error before '}' token
> mod_ssl.h:565: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.h:565: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> mod_ssl.h:578: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.h:578: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.h:578: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> mod_ssl.h:579: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.h:579: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.h:579: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> mod_ssl.h:580: error: syntax error before "X509_STORE_CTX"
> mod_ssl.h:581: error: syntax error before "X509_STORE_CTX"
> mod_ssl.h:582: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.h:583: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.h:584: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.h:584: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.h:584: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> mod_ssl.h:585: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.h:586: error: syntax error before "int"
> mod_ssl.h:594: error: syntax error before "SSL_SESSION"
> mod_ssl.h:595: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.h:595: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> mod_ssl.h:602: error: syntax error before "SSL_SESSION"
> mod_ssl.h:603: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.h:603: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> mod_ssl.h:610: error: syntax error before "SSL_SESSION"
> mod_ssl.h:611: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.h:611: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> mod_ssl.h:618: error: syntax error before "SSL_SESSION"
> mod_ssl.h:619: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.h:619: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> mod_ssl.h:628: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.h:628: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> mod_ssl.h:629: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.h:629: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> mod_ssl.h:675: error: syntax error before "SSL"
> mod_ssl.h:677: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.h:693: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.c:217: error: syntax error before '*' token
> mod_ssl.c: In function `ssl_init_connection_ctx':
> mod_ssl.c:219: error: `sslconn' undeclared (first use in this function)
> mod_ssl.c:219: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> mod_ssl.c:219: error: for each function it appears in.)
> mod_ssl.c:219: error: syntax error before ')' token
> mod_ssl.c: In function `ssl_proxy_enable':
> mod_ssl.c:236: error: `sslconn' undeclared (first use in this function)
> mod_ssl.c:238: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
> mod_ssl.c:241: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
> mod_ssl.c: In function `ssl_engine_disable':
> mod_ssl.c:256: error: `sslconn' undeclared (first use in this function)
> mod_ssl.c:258: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
> mod_ssl.c: In function `ssl_hook_pre_connection':
> mod_ssl.c:272: error: `SSL' undeclared (first use in this function)
> mod_ssl.c:272: error: `ssl' undeclared (first use in this function)
> mod_ssl.c:273: error: `sslconn' undeclared (first use in this function)
> mod_ssl.c:273: error: syntax error before ')' token
> mod_ssl.c:275: error: `mctx' undeclared (first use in this function)
> mod_ssl.c:280: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
> mod_ssl.c:304: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
> mod_ssl.c:312: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
> mod_ssl.c:312: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
> mod_ssl.c:330: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
> mod_ssl.c:331: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
> mod_ssl.c:356: error: `X509_V_OK' undeclared (first use in this
> function)
> mod_ssl.c: In function `ssl_hook_http_method':
> mod_ssl.c:367: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
> mod_ssl.c: In function `ssl_hook_default_port':
> mod_ssl.c:378: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
> apxs:Error: Command failed with rc=65536
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Matt
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 
> 

From ian.m.wilson at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 22:38:59 2004
From: ian.m.wilson at gmail.com (Ian Wilson)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:15 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Debian DNS Issues
In-Reply-To: <20040907001213.GB13114@linuxcolumbus.com>
References: <cd554d6204090611385429d508@mail.gmail.com>
	<20040907001213.GB13114@linuxcolumbus.com>
Message-ID: <cd554d620409061938446b7ed3@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:12:13 -0400, Pat Collins <pat@linuxcolumbus.com> wrote:
> Looks like rr dns.  Setup your local cache own using djbdns (dnscache)  or
> dnsmasq.

Hrmms.

I guess the biggest issue that sets this apart is that it's on every
other machine in this house, but the debian box only seems to be
having problems getting out to the network.


I'm planning on backing up essential files, deleting bind, installing
djbdns and qmail, see if that works...if it doesn't,  then I'm going
to blow it away and see if that fixes the problem.  It may or may not
work.

Ian

From bill_chris at earthlink.net  Mon Sep  6 09:21:08 2004
From: bill_chris at earthlink.net (Bill Baker)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:15 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409060821150.397@newross.rossberry.private>
References: <DOELIMFCEIFLMDKJAPJIAEEMCIAA.rkward@yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0409060821150.397@newross.rossberry.private>
Message-ID: <1094476863.29299.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2004-09-06 at 08:21, Jim Wildman wrote:
> I'll take one.

Sent.


From amgad at amgad.org  Mon Sep  6 15:18:51 2004
From: amgad at amgad.org (Amgad Fahmy)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:15 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Debian DNS Issues
In-Reply-To: <cd554d6204090611385429d508@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200409061921.i86JL1Eo013389@ns1.dnsez.net>

Use dig or nslookup 
And query the dns server see if you can talk to it or not.
If you can ask osu.edu, see what you get may be a firewall issue on either
side ..!


Thanks
Amgad Fahmy
-----Original Message-----
From: colug1-bounces@colug.net [mailto:colug1-bounces@colug.net] On Behalf
Of Ian Wilson
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 2:38 PM
To: colug1@colug.net
Subject: [COLUG] Debian DNS Issues

Hi folks;

I'm having some issues with getting DNS to work right on my debian box.

When I try to ping things, I'm getting an:

  ping: unknown host osu.edu

whenever I attempt to ping something.  However, if I want to ping the
ip address directly, I'll get:

  Reply from 128.146.48.174: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=228

I've got the nameservers portion of /etc/resolv.conf set with:

nameserver 24.95.80.45
nameserver 24.95.80.41
nameserver 65.24.0.163

(which are the DNS entries for my ISP, all of which are pingable from
the machine)

What am I doing wrong?  Any help greatly appreciated.


Ian
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From: steve_currie at bankone.com (steve_currie@bankone.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:15 2005
Subject: [COLUG] (no subject)
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From rfunk at funknet.net  Tue Sep  7 10:30:29 2004
From: rfunk at funknet.net (Rob Funk)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:16 2005
Subject: [COLUG] how to access usb flash drive in linux
In-Reply-To: <20040902123503.GB7146%jmglov@jmglov.net>
References: <004401c4902f$c3d6bf70$c80ba8c0@availxpvm>
	<200409012239.50085.rfunk@funknet.net>
	<20040902123503.GB7146%jmglov@jmglov.net>
Message-ID: <200409071033.36293.rfunk@funknet.net>

Josh Glover wrote:
> Quoth Rob Funk (Wed 2004-09-01 10:39:50PM -0400):
> One problem with creating mount points in /tmp: they may well go away on
> the next reboot, as Solaris (and several other Unices) clean out /tmp on
> boot. If you are just talking about temporary mount points, /tmp is a
> pretty good place.

Yes, in fact /tmp is often a ramdisk (e.g. tmpfs).  And when it's not, I 
usually change it so that it is.  I was talking about those times when 
you're booting from CD or other read-only media, and a lot of the usual 
directories aren't writable even by root.

> I think /mnt/cdrom, /mnt/cdr, /mnt/flash, etc, are here to stay. Hell,
> even Debian does it that way now, IIRC.

Nope, that's being replaced by /media, according to the Filesystem Hierarchy 
Standard (which I believe is incorporated by the Linux Standard Base).
http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#MEDIAMOUNTPOINT

Not sure yet what Debian does now (my current installations are both old and 
customized), though I'll be doing a sarge install today so I'll probably 
find out.

-- 
==============================| "A slice of life isn't the whole cake
 Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> | One tooth will never make a full grin"
 http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"

From jonadab at bright.net  Tue Sep  7 10:50:16 2004
From: jonadab at bright.net (Jonadab the Unsightly One)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:16 2005
Subject: [COLUG] odd output
In-Reply-To: <20040901002800.GY15474@linuxcolumbus.com> (Pat Collins's
	message of "Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:28:00 -0400")
References: <a6aa30c2040831074011e2835a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20040831114217.4ea151ae.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
	<a6aa30c2040831091569137db9@mail.gmail.com>
	<200408311306.57696.rfunk@funknet.net>
	<20040831133222.66e030dc.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
	<20040831134813.2c38bb5a.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
	<a6aa30c2040831132862613a98@mail.gmail.com>
	<20040831195459.36925f6f.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
	<20040901002800.GY15474@linuxcolumbus.com>
Message-ID: <r7perv4n.fsf@jonadab.homeip.net>

Pat Collins <pat@linuxcolumbus.com> writes:

> In mutt and with vim as the editor you just do 
> :r! shell-command
>
> How about you emacs gurus?

I'd split the screen and run eshell in one "window" and Gnus in the
other "window".  (By "window" here I mean what Emacs calls a window;
what the rest of the world calls a window is a "frame" to Emacs.)

-- 
$;=sub{$/};@;=map{my($a,$b)=($_,$;);$;=sub{$a.$b->()}}
split//,"ten.thgirb\@badanoj$/ --";$\=$ ;-> ();print$/


From neverhome at gmx.net  Tue Sep  7 10:49:31 2004
From: neverhome at gmx.net (Ralf)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:16 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <87ba39c504083112273114dc4e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87ba39c504083112273114dc4e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200409071049.31942.neverhome@gmx.net>

If there are still google mail invites left over, I would like to join the "me 
too" list to get one, too.

Thanks in advance.

- Ralf


From rfunk at funknet.net  Tue Sep  7 10:59:50 2004
From: rfunk at funknet.net (Rob Funk)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:16 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Debian DNS Issues
In-Reply-To: <cd554d6204090611385429d508@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd554d6204090611385429d508@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200409071059.50676.rfunk@funknet.net>

Ian Wilson wrote:
>   ping: unknown host osu.edu

Heh, osu.edu is my usual "does the internet work?" test too.

> whenever I attempt to ping something.  However, if I want to ping the
> ip address directly, I'll get:
>
>   Reply from 128.146.48.174: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=228
>
> I've got the nameservers portion of /etc/resolv.conf set with:
>
> nameserver 24.95.80.45
> nameserver 24.95.80.41
> nameserver 65.24.0.163
>
> (which are the DNS entries for my ISP, all of which are pingable from
> the machine)

Do you have any firewalling set up on this machine?  Normally if you can 
ping your DNS servers you should be able to resolve things.

-- 
==============================| "A slice of life isn't the whole cake
 Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> | One tooth will never make a full grin"
 http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"

From jonadab at bright.net  Tue Sep  7 11:07:34 2004
From: jonadab at bright.net (Jonadab the Unsightly One)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:16 2005
Subject: hardware at home [COLUG]
In-Reply-To: <20040902122637.83061.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> (Bruce
	Hohl's message of "Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:26:37 -0700 (PDT)")
References: <20040902122637.83061.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <n002rubt.fsf@jonadab.homeip.net>

Bruce Hohl <brucehohl@yahoo.com> writes:

> From the wife I seem to have unofficial approval for 3
>
> At 4 computers I get '"the look"'.

You can pretend not to notice "the look".

> At 5 computers I am constantly reminded of my various
> faults like the the pool table that *I* bought, and
> *never* use, and is taking up the kids play space in
> the basement.  

Have you ever heard the Bill Cosby monologue about his father's
secret weapon, selective hearing?

Either that, or you can try to negotiate parity between how many pair
of shoes your wife is allowed to have, and how many computers you can
have.  (Three pair of shoes ought to be enough for any one person,
right?  That gives you a dark pair, a light pair, and athletic shoes,
and that's enough to match any outfit.  Extras are just a stupid (and
expensive) fashion-obsessive hobby...)  Then again, you said you liked
your marriage.

In seriousness:  try to find an out-of-the-way place where you can
keep spare computer stuff and your family doesn't mind.  Usual
suspects are basements, workshops, garages, attics.  Don't try to put
a fourth computer in the living room; that's just asking for trouble.

-- 
$;=sub{$/};@;=map{my($a,$b)=($_,$;);$;=sub{$a.$b->()}}
split//,"ten.thgirb\@badanoj$/ --";$\=$ ;-> ();print$/


From jonadab at bright.net  Tue Sep  7 11:12:41 2004
From: jonadab at bright.net (Jonadab the Unsightly One)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:16 2005
Subject: [COLUG] from address
In-Reply-To: <4135CD91.6030705@whipple.cc> (Joe Whipple's message of "Wed,
	01 Sep 2004 09:24:33 -0400")
References: <s1357142.082@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET> <4135CD91.6030705@whipple.cc>
Message-ID: <isaqru3a.fsf@jonadab.homeip.net>

Joe Whipple <joe@whipple.cc> writes:


> Here are some of the headers you may filter in colug with:
>
> To: <colug1@colug.net>  <-- this is always the To:

Unless it is the Cc, or someone sends you an offlist reply.
(Hopefully nobody Bccs a mailing list...)  
  
-- 
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split//,"ten.thgirb\@badanoj$/ --";$\=$ ;-> ();print$/


From jonadab at bright.net  Tue Sep  7 11:16:13 2004
From: jonadab at bright.net (Jonadab the Unsightly One)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:16 2005
Subject: [COLUG] from address
In-Reply-To: <200409011138.22829.DaveParfrey@brains4business.com> (Dave
	Parfrey's message of "Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:38:22 -0400")
References: <s1357142.082@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
	<200409011138.22829.DaveParfrey@brains4business.com>
Message-ID: <eklertxe.fsf@jonadab.homeip.net>

Dave Parfrey <DaveParfrey@brains4business.com> writes:

> That seems strange to me. Virtually all the mailing lists I belong
> to work exactly the same as the colug list. Guess we hang out on
> different lists.

In the open-source community, many lists operate in the COLUG
fashion.  Elsewhere, almost all lists set the Reply-To header.

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From oshaug at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 11:16:39 2004
From: oshaug at gmail.com (Bob O'Shaughnessy)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:16 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <1094476863.29299.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <DOELIMFCEIFLMDKJAPJIAEEMCIAA.rkward@yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0409060821150.397@newross.rossberry.private>
	<1094476863.29299.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <72fa7c6004090708161b5b1177@mail.gmail.com>

I'm currently sitting on six invites.  Email me off list if you want one.


-- 
Bob O'Shaughnessy
oshaughnessy@mac.com
http://oshaughnessy.typepad.com

From archanoid at columbus.rr.com  Tue Sep  7 12:02:36 2004
From: archanoid at columbus.rr.com (archanoid@columbus.rr.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:16 2005
Subject: [COLUG] (no subject)
Message-ID: <258fb9259f61.259f61258fb9@columbus.rr.com>

re: Sun 19 inch monitor

if it's not gone already (and it's in working condition ;^) I'd like it.

-Aaron


From oshaug at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 13:15:41 2004
From: oshaug at gmail.com (Bob O'Shaughnessy)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:16 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <200409071049.31942.neverhome@gmx.net>
References: <87ba39c504083112273114dc4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200409071049.31942.neverhome@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <72fa7c60040907101530c10f0f@mail.gmail.com>

Sent.


On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:49:31 -0400, Ralf <neverhome@gmx.net> wrote:
> If there are still google mail invites left over, I would like to join the "me
> too" list to get one, too.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> - Ralf
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 



-- 
Bob O'Shaughnessy
oshaughnessy@mac.com
http://oshaughnessy.typepad.com

From steve_currie at bankone.com  Tue Sep  7 13:43:24 2004
From: steve_currie at bankone.com (steve_currie@bankone.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:16 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Free - Sun 19 inch monitor.
Message-ID: <OF6176A909.445B47B8-ON85256F08.004EFBE1-85256F08.00615B73@bankone.com>





Let's try that again with a subject.


Free to good home. Sun 19 inch monitor.
Please reply before Wed. afternoon.



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Max Resolution:       1152 x 864
Sync Type:       Composite
H Freq/ V Freq:       61.8 Khz / 66 Hz
Tube Manufacturer:       hitachi
Monitor Type:       Fixed Frequency
Tube Model:
Tube Size:       20
Connector:       13W3



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From vrman49 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 13:43:18 2004
From: vrman49 at gmail.com (Richard Mancusi)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:16 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <200409071049.31942.neverhome@gmx.net>
References: <87ba39c504083112273114dc4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200409071049.31942.neverhome@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <653ba254040907104310034287@mail.gmail.com>

If you, or anyone else needs one, contact me off list with
your First and Last name.  Between my wife and I, we
have at least 20 to hand out.

Rich


On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:49:31 -0400, Ralf <neverhome@gmx.net> wrote:
> If there are still google mail invites left over, I would like to join the "me
> too" list to get one, too.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> - Ralf
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>

From archanoid at columbus.rr.com  Tue Sep  7 13:23:14 2004
From: archanoid at columbus.rr.com (archanoid@columbus.rr.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:16 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
Message-ID: <255d38255085.255085255d38@columbus.rr.com>

got it

----- Original Message -----
From: Ralf <neverhome@gmx.net>
Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2004 10:49 am
Subject: Re: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em

> If there are still google mail invites left over, I would like to 
> join the "me 
> too" list to get one, too.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> - Ralf
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 


From colug at jmglov.net  Tue Sep  7 14:51:10 2004
From: colug at jmglov.net (Josh Glover)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:16 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Debian DNS Issues
In-Reply-To: <200409071059.50676.rfunk@funknet.net>
References: <cd554d6204090611385429d508@mail.gmail.com>
	<200409071059.50676.rfunk@funknet.net>
Message-ID: <4713.24.123.50.150.1094583070.squirrel@24.123.50.150>

Quoth Rob Funk:

> Ian Wilson wrote:
>
>>   ping: unknown host osu.edu
>
> Heh, osu.edu is my usual "does the internet work?" test too.

I tend to use mail.wm.edu for that. :)

-- 
Josh Glover

Gentoo Developer (http://dev.gentoo.org/~jmglov/)
Tokyo Linux Users Group Listmaster (http://www.tlug.jp/)

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From peter.king at utoronto.ca  Tue Sep  7 16:26:07 2004
From: peter.king at utoronto.ca (Peter King)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:16 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Uses for a Sun Ultra 1...
Message-ID: <20040907202607.GA9798@antec>

I've recently come into a Sun Ultra 1 workstation, currently running
Solaris 2.5.1 (aka SunOS 4.5.1). I have it up and more or less working, 
though it's a long way from being completely usable -- ssh is broken at
the moment, for instance.

Is it worth the effort to bring it up to date? It seems like 2.5.1 was a
"classic" release for Sun, so there are a lot of people still using it
and even software available for it.

There seem to be three or four candidates for seriously upgrading it:

(1) SOLARIS: Solaris 9, which is free for personal use

(2) BSD: OpenBSD, or, with some fussing, NetBSD (but not FreeBSD)

(3) LINUX: either Debian or Gentoo (UltraLinux won't run I think)

Any views? This is purely for recreation and education, though at the
end of the day I'd like to have a print/file server or the like.

-- 
Peter King			 	peter.king@utoronto.ca
Department of Philosophy
215 Huron Street
The University of Toronto		    (416)-978-3788 ofc
Toronto, ON  M5S 1A1
       CANADA

http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/

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From oshaug at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 16:36:49 2004
From: oshaug at gmail.com (Bob O'Shaughnessy)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:16 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <72fa7c6004090708161b5b1177@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DOELIMFCEIFLMDKJAPJIAEEMCIAA.rkward@yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0409060821150.397@newross.rossberry.private>
	<1094476863.29299.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<72fa7c6004090708161b5b1177@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72fa7c6004090713363ed53177@mail.gmail.com>

M'okay!  All gone, for now......


On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:16:39 -0400, Bob O'Shaughnessy <oshaug@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm currently sitting on six invites.  Email me off list if you want one.
> 
> 
> --
> Bob O'Shaughnessy
> oshaughnessy@mac.com
> http://oshaughnessy.typepad.com
> 



-- 
Bob O'Shaughnessy
oshaughnessy@mac.com
http://oshaughnessy.typepad.com

From tom at functionalmedia.com  Tue Sep  7 19:56:43 2004
From: tom at functionalmedia.com (tom@functionalmedia.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:16 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <1094477236.29299.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <91B7878D-0129-11D9-AFB3-00039317745E@functionalmedia.com>


>
> I already sent one to him and Jim Wildman, but I don't seem to be able
> to send anything to the COLUG list.
>

Colug has become colug1 !!! Note the one. Many email tools 
auto-complete addresses for you. I for example continue to send mails 
to colug instead of colug1

Tom


From rfunk at funknet.net  Tue Sep  7 19:56:15 2004
From: rfunk at funknet.net (Rob Funk)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:17 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Uses for a Sun Ultra 1...
In-Reply-To: <20040907202607.GA9798@antec>
References: <20040907202607.GA9798@antec>
Message-ID: <200409071956.15753.rfunk@funknet.net>

Peter King wrote:
> I've recently come into a Sun Ultra 1 workstation, currently running
> Solaris 2.5.1 (aka SunOS 4.5.1). I have it up and more or less working,
> though it's a long way from being completely usable -- ssh is broken at
> the moment, for instance.
>
> Is it worth the effort to bring it up to date? It seems like 2.5.1 was a
> "classic" release for Sun, so there are a lot of people still using it
> and even software available for it.

It's definitely a good machine, and the OS isn't bad.  You're best off 
installing a newer OS though; 2.5.1 dates back to 1996 as I recall, though 
certainly patches are available.

I may be wrong, but I think the Ultra 1 itself was introduced in 1997 or 
1998.  (If anyone remembers my old @wks.uts.ohio-state.edu address, that 
server was an Ultra 1 running Solaris 2.6.)  I'm surprised that an Ultra 1 
wouldn't be running at least 2.6, but I guess people install whatever they 
have.

> There seem to be three or four candidates for seriously upgrading it:
>
> (1) SOLARIS: Solaris 9, which is free for personal use
>
> (2) BSD: OpenBSD, or, with some fussing, NetBSD (but not FreeBSD)
>
> (3) LINUX: either Debian or Gentoo (UltraLinux won't run I think)
>
> Any views? This is purely for recreation and education, though at the
> end of the day I'd like to have a print/file server or the like.

Check the hardware requirements on Solaris 9; the Ultra 1 might be a bit 
weak in CPU and (especially) memory for that late a release.  Or it might 
be fine, and of course Solaris is perfectly happy on a Sun.

If you want to learn about Solaris to increase employability, put the latest 
Solaris you can on there, and play.

Of course, putting an open-source OS on there has quite a few advantages.

I'm sure OpenBSD would be quite happy on that machine.  Sparc is one of 
their primary platforms.  Both Debian and Gentoo have advantages with the 
long-term upgrades though.  Gentoo's compiles would probably be painful on 
a machine of that vintage, so I'd only go for Gentoo on a more recent 
machine.

Hey, play with Solaris 2.5.1 for a few days, then install Solaris 9 and run 
that for a week, then try OpenBSD for a week, then Debian.  :-)


-- 
==============================| "A slice of life isn't the whole cake
 Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> | One tooth will never make a full grin"
 http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"

From spp at unixsa.net  Tue Sep  7 20:51:58 2004
From: spp at unixsa.net (Stephen P Potter)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:17 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Free - Sun 19 inch monitor.
In-Reply-To: <OF6176A909.445B47B8-ON85256F08.004EFBE1-85256F08.00615B73@bankone.com>
References: <OF6176A909.445B47B8-ON85256F08.004EFBE1-85256F08.00615B73@bankone.com>
Message-ID: <413E57AE.3040606@unixsa.net>

steve_currie@bankone.com wrote:

>
>
>Let's try that again with a subject.
>
>
>Free to good home. Sun 19 inch monitor.
>Please reply before Wed. afternoon.
>
>
>
>Model:       HM-4119-S-DA-OL
>Max Resolution:       1152 x 864
>Sync Type:       Composite
>H Freq/ V Freq:       61.8 Khz / 66 Hz
>Tube Manufacturer:       hitachi
>Monitor Type:       Fixed Frequency
>Tube Model:
>Tube Size:       20
>Connector:       13W3
>  
>
Is that at work?  If so, I could use it on my desk over at 340!

-spp

From spp at unixsa.net  Tue Sep  7 20:55:59 2004
From: spp at unixsa.net (Stephen P Potter)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:17 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Uses for a Sun Ultra 1...
In-Reply-To: <20040907202607.GA9798@antec>
References: <20040907202607.GA9798@antec>
Message-ID: <413E589F.9030205@unixsa.net>

Peter King wrote:

>I've recently come into a Sun Ultra 1 workstation, currently running
>Solaris 2.5.1 (aka SunOS 4.5.1). I have it up and more or less working, 
>though it's a long way from being completely usable -- ssh is broken at
>the moment, for instance.
>  
>
Actually, aka 5.5.1, not 4.5.1.

>Is it worth the effort to bring it up to date? It seems like 2.5.1 was a
>"classic" release for Sun, so there are a lot of people still using it
>and even software available for it.
>  
>
Depends on what you mean by "worth it".  The U1 was a pretty decent box 
for its time.  It's a little slow now, but for most of what you might 
want to do on a Unix box, it's still pretty good.  Compiles might seem 
to take a long time, but that depends on your point of reference.

>There seem to be three or four candidates for seriously upgrading it:
>
>(1) SOLARIS: Solaris 9, which is free for personal use
>
>(2) BSD: OpenBSD, or, with some fussing, NetBSD (but not FreeBSD)
>
>(3) LINUX: either Debian or Gentoo (UltraLinux won't run I think)
>
>Any views? This is purely for recreation and education, though at the
>end of the day I'd like to have a print/file server or the like.
>  
>
For file/print, you're probably better off with BSD or Linux.  They tend 
to have newer OSS software.  Although, Solaris 9 includes both NFS and 
SAMBA, so it isn't too horrible for that.

-spp

From brucehohl at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  7 21:28:11 2004
From: brucehohl at yahoo.com (Bruce Hohl)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:17 2005
Subject: [COLUG] how to access usb flash drive in linux
In-Reply-To: <200409071033.36293.rfunk@funknet.net>
Message-ID: <20040908012811.65939.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm writing from a SuSE Linux 9.1 Live CD session.  I
was able to mount a memory stick as follows:

1 - Plug in usb memory stick.
2 - Open a "konsole" session.
3 - Change to root ("su root").  No password needed.
3 - Enter "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" then wait until
command prompt returns.  This took a long time on both
computers I tested (a few minutes).  I don't know why
but both were wimpy (400 MHz Celeron and 800 MHz Via).
4 - Enter "cd /mnt" or use Konqueror to view contents.

FYI:
linux:/media # mount
/dev/root on / type iso9660 (rw)
/dev/root on / type iso9660 (rw)
proc on /proc type proc (rw)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,mode=0620,gid=5)
usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
/dev/sda1 on /mnt type vfat (rw)

Unlike Knoppix it does not look like the SuSE Live CD
creates a Ram disk or mounts the hard drive at all. 
It looks just like SuSE 9.1.

 



		
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From 6f at earthlink.net  Tue Sep  7 22:29:56 2004
From: 6f at earthlink.net (Steve)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:17 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <653ba254040907104310034287@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87ba39c504083112273114dc4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200409071049.31942.neverhome@gmx.net>
	<653ba254040907104310034287@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040908022956.GA13192@earthlink.net>

Rich-
	I'd like one if you still have some available.

Thanks,
Steve


On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 12:43:18PM -0500, Richard Mancusi wrote:
> If you, or anyone else needs one, contact me off list with
> your First and Last name.  Between my wife and I, we
> have at least 20 to hand out.
> 
> Rich
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:49:31 -0400, Ralf <neverhome@gmx.net> wrote:
> > If there are still google mail invites left over, I would like to join the "me
> > too" list to get one, too.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > - Ralf
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> > http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> >
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1

From bill_chris at earthlink.net  Wed Sep  8 17:18:00 2004
From: bill_chris at earthlink.net (Bill Baker)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:17 2005
Subject: [COLUG] OT: GMail invites - who wants 'em
In-Reply-To: <91B7878D-0129-11D9-AFB3-00039317745E@functionalmedia.com>
References: <91B7878D-0129-11D9-AFB3-00039317745E@functionalmedia.com>
Message-ID: <1094678279.29299.38.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2004-09-07 at 19:56, tom@functionalmedia.com wrote:
> >
> > I already sent one to him and Jim Wildman, but I don't seem to be able
> > to send anything to the COLUG list.
> >
> 
> Colug has become colug1 !!! Note the one. Many email tools 
> auto-complete addresses for you. I for example continue to send mails 
> to colug instead of colug1

I know that, but I was replying, so the address should have
automatically been right.  The error I got said, "host lookup did not
complete: retry timeout exceeded."  I've noticed that if I have another
address in the Cc: line that it goes through, and I'm trying it with
your address in the To: line to see if that works, too.


From jep200404 at columbus.rr.com  Wed Sep  8 18:32:35 2004
From: jep200404 at columbus.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:17 2005
Subject: [COLUG] colug.net erratic
In-Reply-To: <1094477236.29299.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <87ba39c504083112273114dc4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1094054832.2883.44.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200409030754.03118.john@burroway.net>
	<37462.216.136.35.122.1094216900.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
	<1094477236.29299.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040908183235.582e6f47.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>

Bill Baker <bill_chris@earthlink.net> wrote:

> I already sent one to him and Jim Wildman, but I don't seem to be able
> to send anything to the COLUG list.

Access to COLUG's server has been quite erratic recently.  
That's more likely the cause of your grief.  


From matt at mattgardlik.com  Wed Sep  8 19:12:13 2004
From: matt at mattgardlik.com (Matthew Gardlik)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:17 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Compiling Apache DSO's
In-Reply-To: <413D0EAB.4020705@iwaynet.net>
References: <1094496676.2875.9.camel@amd64.home.mattgardlik.com>
	<413D0EAB.4020705@iwaynet.net>
Message-ID: <1094685133.13158.16.camel@amd64.home.mattgardlik.com>

It was indeed a problem including the files.  However, now when I
restart httpd, I get the following error message:

Syntax error on line 235 of /usr/local/apache2/conf/httpd.conf:
Cannot load /usr/local/apache2/modules/mod_ssl.so into server:
/usr/local/apache2/modules/mod_ssl.so: undefined symbol:
ssl_cmd_SSLMutex

Any hints on how to fix this?  Thanks,

Matt
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From blata at extent0006.entomology.ohio-state.edu  Wed Sep  8 22:19:15 2004
From: blata at extent0006.entomology.ohio-state.edu (Wade Pinkston)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:17 2005
Subject: [COLUG] pci - sata
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Before I though my hands up in total disgust and dismay.  Does anybody
know how to get a SIIG sat212 pci2sata io card working in Fedora or at
least in Linux?  I foolishly bought a Seagate sata hard drive and a
siig controller card.  Fedora was detected the card but I could not
figure out any way to get it at the drive on the other end.  As of yet
google has been no help.

- --
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Ipsa scientia potestas est

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8 bit operating system internally coded for a
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1 bit of competition

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From dmaxwell at columbus.rr.com  Wed Sep  8 23:15:45 2004
From: dmaxwell at columbus.rr.com (Dave Maxwell)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:17 2005
Subject: [COLUG] pci - sata
In-Reply-To: <413FBDA3.4060001@bugs.osu.edu>
References: <413FBDA3.4060001@bugs.osu.edu>
Message-ID: <200409082315.45753.dmaxwell@columbus.rr.com>

On Wednesday 08 September 2004 10:19 pm, Wade Pinkston wrote:
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>
> Before I though my hands up in total disgust and dismay.  Does anybody
> know how to get a SIIG sat212 pci2sata io card working in Fedora or at
> least in Linux?  I foolishly bought a Seagate sata hard drive and a
> siig controller card.  Fedora was detected the card but I could not
> figure out any way to get it at the drive on the other end.  As of yet
> google has been no help.
>

cat /proc/scsi/scsi ?
ls /proc/ide ?

Sometimes these things get handled as SCSI devices even though they really 
aren't.

Dave

-- 
LILO, you've got me on my knees!
 -- David Black, dblack@pilot.njin.net, with apologies to Derek and
           the Dominos, and Werner Almsberger

From lefevre.10 at osu.edu  Thu Sep  9 01:44:09 2004
From: lefevre.10 at osu.edu (Steve Lefevre)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:17 2005
Subject: [COLUG] regex help
In-Reply-To: <258fb9259f61.259f61258fb9@columbus.rr.com>
References: <258fb9259f61.259f61258fb9@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <413FEDA9.4020307@osu.edu>

Hey folks --

I'm new to using regular expressions. I'm trying to find strings of two 
or more capital letters. Here's what I've got, based on my google search 
for regex tutorials:

grep [:upper:{2}] *

Yet it returns all the lines with a single capital letter, no matter 
what {n} is.

How do I do this?

Steve

From jep200404 at columbus.rr.com  Thu Sep  9 06:19:18 2004
From: jep200404 at columbus.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:17 2005
Subject: [COLUG] regex help
In-Reply-To: <413FEDA9.4020307@osu.edu>
References: <258fb9259f61.259f61258fb9@columbus.rr.com>
	<413FEDA9.4020307@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <20040909061918.23a055ab.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>

Steve Lefevre <lefevre.10@osu.edu> wrote:

> grep [:upper:{2}] *

It's generally a good idea to protect regular expressions on the 
command line from expansion by quoting.  Compare: 

   echo [:upper:{2}] *
   echo '[:upper:{2}]' *


From pat at linuxcolumbus.com  Thu Sep  9 07:20:05 2004
From: pat at linuxcolumbus.com (Pat Collins)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:17 2005
Subject: [COLUG] regex help
In-Reply-To: <413FEDA9.4020307@osu.edu>
References: <258fb9259f61.259f61258fb9@columbus.rr.com>
	<413FEDA9.4020307@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <20040909112005.GA1669@linuxcolumbus.com>

On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 01:44:09AM -0400, Steve Lefevre wrote:
> Hey folks --
> 
> I'm new to using regular expressions. I'm trying to find strings of two 
> or more capital letters. Here's what I've got, based on my google search 
> for regex tutorials:
> 
> grep [:upper:{2}] *
>

grep -E "[[:upper:]]{2}" * is what I would use.

man grep

Pat



> Yet it returns all the lines with a single capital letter, no matter 
> what {n} is.
> 
> How do I do this?
> 
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
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> 

From austin.gresham at avail.com  Thu Sep  9 07:20:05 2004
From: austin.gresham at avail.com (Austin Gresham)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:17 2005
Subject: [COLUG] regex help
In-Reply-To: <413FEDA9.4020307@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <000701c4965e$f50b30a0$c80ba8c0@availxpvm>

I think it should be:

egrep [[:upper:]]{2} *

The "[[:upper:]]" is what you want "2" of...  (if that makes sense).  And I
use the double enclosing bracket.

I also used egrep.  For me grep won't work with this regex...

-Austin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: colug1-bounces@colug.net 
> [mailto:colug1-bounces@colug.net] On Behalf Of Steve Lefevre
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 1:44 AM
> To: Central OH Linux User Group
> Subject: [COLUG] regex help
> 
> 
> Hey folks --
> 
> I'm new to using regular expressions. I'm trying to find 
> strings of two 
> or more capital letters. Here's what I've got, based on my 
> google search 
> for regex tutorials:
> 
> grep [:upper:{2}] *
> 
> Yet it returns all the lines with a single capital letter, no matter 
> what {n} is.
> 
> How do I do this?
> 
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 


From austin.gresham at avail.com  Thu Sep  9 07:28:30 2004
From: austin.gresham at avail.com (Austin Gresham)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:17 2005
Subject: [COLUG] regex help
In-Reply-To: <000701c4965e$f50b30a0$c80ba8c0@availxpvm>
Message-ID: <000d01c49660$221cdc00$c80ba8c0@availxpvm>

Er, I guess I could have used "grep -E" 

(Thanks, Pat)

> 
> I also used egrep.  For me grep won't work with this regex...
> 


From dane at olneyfriends.org  Thu Sep  9 10:56:04 2004
From: dane at olneyfriends.org (Dane Miller)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:17 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
Message-ID: <1094741764.789.42.camel@opus>

Hello, 

I'm in charge of buying a new file/print server for my small school (30
desktops, linux & windows) and could use some suggestions. Some basic
questions I'm considering include 1) vendor choice: brand-name vs.
whitebox vs. hand-built, and 2) Linux distro.

Any recommendations? Any "enterprise-class" hardware I should look for
or avoid? As for Linux, I am used to Debian, but have run into
situations where I wanted better support.

Thanks for any advice, 
Dane
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From KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET  Thu Sep  9 13:03:18 2004
From: KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET (Keith Larson)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:18 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
Message-ID: <s14054bd.039@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>

My primary customers are K12 schools.  I mostly deal with NetWare, but I
have worked with Compaq/HP and Dell.  I definitely prefer Compaq/HP, but
have had good success with Dell as well.  I strongly prefer the
functionality of the Integrated Lights Out from HP over the Embedded
Remote Access from Dell.  It is a pain in the neck to manage the
password and usernames with Dell UNLESS you are running a MS$ OS.  The
HP has it all integrated and has no correlation to the OS that the box
is running.
 
There have been more issues with the Broadcom chipset embedded gigabit
over the Intel versions.  I would watch for that.
 
Dell support for NetWare sucks.  I wouldn't expect Linux to be any
better.  I have RARELY needed support from Compaq/HP, but when I have it
has been very good and NetWare wasn't a problem.
 
 


>>> dane@olneyfriends.org 9/9/2004 10:56:04 AM >>>

Hello, 

I'm in charge of buying a new file/print server for my small school
(30
desktops, linux & windows) and could use some suggestions. Some basic
questions I'm considering include 1) vendor choice: brand-name vs.
whitebox vs. hand-built, and 2) Linux distro.

Any recommendations? Any "enterprise-class" hardware I should look for
or avoid? As for Linux, I am used to Debian, but have run into
situations where I wanted better support.

Thanks for any advice, 
Dane


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From skippy at skippy.net  Thu Sep  9 13:15:20 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:18 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Request for Presentations
Message-ID: <35481.216.136.35.122.1094750120.squirrel@216.136.35.122>

Hi everyone.

I'm lining up presentations for the coming months, but I'm coming up short
for _this_ month.  Does anyone have anything they'd like to share with the
group for our September meeting?

Possible items of interest:

* Our last two presentations were about CVS.  Anyone interested in showing
us Subversion?  Or BitKeeper?
  http://subversion.tigris.org/
  http://www.bitkeeper.com/

* Sybase just announced the free-as-in-beer release of their database
product.  Anyone with Sybase experience care to compare and contract this
with other databases -- closed and open?
  http://www.sybase.com/linuxpromo


Things I've been fiddling with lately, and would be happy to introduce:

* Mozilla Calendar plus phpicalender
  http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/
  http://phpicalendar.sourceforge.net/
  http://www.webdav.org/mod_dav/

* MediaWiki
  http://meta.mediawiki.com/

* WordPress
  http://wordpress.org/


I've noticed lately a fair number of people running into some ambiguities
of Free Software -- everything from simple ignorance (calling it
"freeware", for example), to legitimate confusion over what exactly
constitutes a "derivative work" under the GPL.  Is anyone interested in a
sort of round-table discussion about the nuances of Free Software
licenses?


From mharrold at cas.org  Thu Sep  9 13:26:20 2004
From: mharrold at cas.org (Mike Harrold)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:18 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Request for Presentations
In-Reply-To: <35481.216.136.35.122.1094750120.squirrel@216.136.35.122> from
	"Scott Merrill" at Sep 09, 2004 01:15:20 PM
Message-ID: <200409091726.i89HQKS00351@srv45.cas.org>

> 
> Hi everyone.
> 
> I'm lining up presentations for the coming months, but I'm coming up short
> for _this_ month.  Does anyone have anything they'd like to share with the
> group for our September meeting?
> 
> Possible items of interest:
> 
> * Our last two presentations were about CVS.  Anyone interested in showing
> us Subversion?  Or BitKeeper?
>   http://subversion.tigris.org/
>   http://www.bitkeeper.com/
> 
> * Sybase just announced the free-as-in-beer release of their database
> product.  Anyone with Sybase experience care to compare and contract this
> with other databases -- closed and open?
>   http://www.sybase.com/linuxpromo

I could do this, depending when the meeting is. I've never presented before,
heck, I've not made a meeting yet :-) However, I've been a Sybase DBA for
almost 8 years, and currently sit on the Board of Directors for the
International Sybase User Group, so I am probably qualified to do this.

My issue would be that I've never worked with MySQL, Postgres or any of the
other OpenSource Databases. I do have some Oracle experience.

It would depend on what the group was interested in hearing about. I would
be glad to talk about the Promo, who it is aimed at, what the restrictions
are, etc., as well as general Sybase capabilities. This might be useful
since Sybase was the first commercial DBMS vendor to release a product on
Linux, yet gets very little press on the matter. I can also talk some about
ISUG itself if desired.

If there is interest from the group, I can probably get someone from Sybase
to shared the presentation duties with me. (This would be much easier if
the meeting is on a Wednesday this month.)

Let me know.

Mike Harrold
ISUG Membership Director  <mike@isug.com>
Have your say on Product Enhancements at http://www.isug.com
[Disclaimer: Opinions, etc., expressed in this email are not
             necessarily the opinions, etc., of ISUG.]


From rutledge.50 at osu.edu  Thu Sep  9 13:50:32 2004
From: rutledge.50 at osu.edu (Lincoln Rutledge)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:18 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
Message-ID: <1094752232.14201.71.camel@lin651ap.hfsec.rdh.ohio-state.edu>

Hi Dane,

My experience has always been with hardware support only, using a local
white box vendor.  I got a great price but was on my own for anything
other than hardware failures.  I had a bad experience, or at least the
company I worked for did shortly after I changed jobs.  They had a bad
disk in the array, and they took the machine to the vendor, who put in a
new disk and blew away the array through ineptitude - there was no Luser
interaction necessary to rebuild the array...

So, if you really want software support, or your school does, I have to
admit that Red Hat has been completely unresponsive, as have
Mandrakesoft.  I hate Dell, but you could probably get a Red Hat/Dell
combo that would offer practical support.  IBM is another option, and HP
is starting to work with Novell/SUSE.  I honestly don't think I would
look elsewhere, unless there is a local company that you trust...

Or I could draw up a contract for you, my company name is Striped
Lizard, I'll support your machine ;)  I would get whatever hardware you
wanted and run Fedora.  Printing is a dream in Red Hat land compared to
everything else in my book.  No mucking around with lpd.  For file
serving it comes with smbmount which is awesome, you can remap your
shares on the fly with scripts.  If you need backup don't forget to
budget another $1500 and do scsi tape, you will never regret it. 
Backups are something nobody ever takes seriously enough.

Okay, my two cents, good luck and have fun with your project,

Lincoln


Message: 11
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:56:04 -0400
From: Dane Miller <dane@olneyfriends.org>
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
To: colug1@colug.net
Message-ID: <1094741764.789.42.camel@opus>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hello, 

I'm in charge of buying a new file/print server for my small school (30
desktops, linux & windows) and could use some suggestions. Some basic
questions I'm considering include 1) vendor choice: brand-name vs.
whitebox vs. hand-built, and 2) Linux distro.

Any recommendations? Any "enterprise-class" hardware I should look for
or avoid? As for Linux, I am used to Debian, but have run into
situations where I wanted better support.

Thanks for any advice, 
Dane
When childhood dies, its corpses are called adults. -- Brian Aldiss


From KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET  Thu Sep  9 13:59:51 2004
From: KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET (Keith Larson)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:18 2005
Subject: [COLUG] disabling wireless nic
Message-ID: <s14061e9.041@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>

I use PXE boot with Novell's Zen for Desktop imaging a lot.  The
workstation tftp's a linux.1 and a linux.2 file down and then boots
linux.  I have no idea what distro.  The issue is that I have a laptop
with an embedded wireless nic that cannot be disable in the bios.  The
boot order preference makes interface active before the embedded
ethernet.  
 
Are there commands that I could enter to disable this nic and enable
the ethernet to manually get around this?
 
Is there something that I could do to permanently make it so that it
wouldn't do this?  Does this require changing the linux.1 or linux.2
files.
 
 

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From: blata at extent0006.entomology.ohio-state.edu (Wade Pinkston)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:18 2005
Subject: [COLUG] disabling wireless nic
In-Reply-To: <s14061e9.041@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
References: <s14061e9.041@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
Message-ID: <41409C45.7030708@bugs.osu.edu>

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I'm not entirely sure what your talking about but...  You can edit the
networking scrips.  In Rh/Fedora there
/ete/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth*  In these files you can set a
onboot=yes/no and that will control whether or not the nic gets turned
on at boot.  If i do understand what your doing you would need to change
the config file in the linux.* files so that the next time you download
and boot off them they would disable the second nic.

If this helps good if I'm totally off base kindly disregard.

Keith Larson wrote:
| I use PXE boot with Novell's Zen for Desktop imaging a lot.  The
| workstation tftp's a linux.1 and a linux.2 file down and then boots
| linux.  I have no idea what distro.  The issue is that I have a laptop
| with an embedded wireless nic that cannot be disable in the bios.  The
| boot order preference makes interface active before the embedded
ethernet.
|
| Are there commands that I could enter to disable this nic and enable the
| ethernet to manually get around this?
|
| Is there something that I could do to permanently make it so that it
| wouldn't do this?  Does this require changing the linux.1 or linux.2
files.
|
|
|
|
|
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Windows,a
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8 bit operating system internally coded for a
4 bit processor written by a
2 bit company that can't stand
1 bit of competition

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From KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET  Thu Sep  9 14:21:02 2004
From: KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET (Keith Larson)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:18 2005
Subject: [COLUG] disabling wireless nic
Message-ID: <s14066da.042@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>

That's basically what I was after.
If the machine is already booted up (at a #bash prompt) is there a way
for me to manually deactivate the wireless and activate the ethernet
card.
 


>>> blata@extent0006.entomology.ohio-state.edu 9/9/2004 2:09:09 PM >>>

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I'm not entirely sure what your talking about but...  You can edit the
networking scrips.  In Rh/Fedora there
/ete/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth*  In these files you can set
a
onboot=yes/no and that will control whether or not the nic gets turned
on at boot.  If i do understand what your doing you would need to
change
the config file in the linux.* files so that the next time you
download
and boot off them they would disable the second nic.

If this helps good if I'm totally off base kindly disregard.

Keith Larson wrote:
| I use PXE boot with Novell's Zen for Desktop imaging a lot.  The
| workstation tftp's a linux.1 and a linux.2 file down and then boots
| linux.  I have no idea what distro.  The issue is that I have a
laptop
| with an embedded wireless nic that cannot be disable in the bios. 
The
| boot order preference makes interface active before the embedded
ethernet.
|
| Are there commands that I could enter to disable this nic and enable
the
| ethernet to manually get around this?
|
| Is there something that I could do to permanently make it so that it
| wouldn't do this?  Does this require changing the linux.1 or linux.2
files.
|
|
|
|
|
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Ipsa scientia potestas est

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16 bit patch to an
8 bit operating system internally coded for a
4 bit processor written by a
2 bit company that can't stand
1 bit of competition

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From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:18 2005
Subject: [COLUG] disabling wireless nic
In-Reply-To: <s14066da.042@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
References: <s14066da.042@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
Message-ID: <35639.216.136.35.122.1094754367.squirrel@216.136.35.122>

Keith Larson said:
> That's basically what I was after.
> If the machine is already booted up (at a #bash prompt) is there a way
> for me to manually deactivate the wireless and activate the ethernet
> card.

You can try `lsmod` to see which module are being loaded.  You could then
`rmmod` the module for the wireless card, if you can determine which one
that is.

Do _both_ the wireless and the wired cards get activated?  Or _just_ the
wireless?  If both, you could simply type `ifdown eth0` to bring the
wireless interface down.  (Likewise `ifup eth1` ought to bring the wired
interface up.)

>>>> blata@extent0006.entomology.ohio-state.edu 9/9/2004 2:09:09 PM >>>
>
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> I'm not entirely sure what your talking about but...  You can edit the
> networking scrips.  In Rh/Fedora there
> /ete/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth*  In these files you can set
> a
> onboot=yes/no and that will control whether or not the nic gets turned
> on at boot.  If i do understand what your doing you would need to
> change
> the config file in the linux.* files so that the next time you
> download
> and boot off them they would disable the second nic.
>
> If this helps good if I'm totally off base kindly disregard.
>
> Keith Larson wrote:
> | I use PXE boot with Novell's Zen for Desktop imaging a lot.  The
> | workstation tftp's a linux.1 and a linux.2 file down and then boots
> | linux.  I have no idea what distro.  The issue is that I have a
> laptop
> | with an embedded wireless nic that cannot be disable in the bios.
> The
> | boot order preference makes interface active before the embedded
> ethernet.
> |
> | Are there commands that I could enter to disable this nic and enable
> the
> | ethernet to manually get around this?
> |
> | Is there something that I could do to permanently make it so that it
> | wouldn't do this?  Does this require changing the linux.1 or linux.2
> files.
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
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From DaveParfrey at brains4business.com  Thu Sep  9 17:27:56 2004
From: DaveParfrey at brains4business.com (Dave Parfrey)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:18 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Request for Presentations
In-Reply-To: <35481.216.136.35.122.1094750120.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
References: <35481.216.136.35.122.1094750120.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
Message-ID: <200409091727.56822.DaveParfrey@brains4business.com>

> Is anyone interested in a
> sort of round-table discussion about the nuances of Free Software
> licenses?

That sounds like a very good idea. I'm curious about the differences between 
the licenses. Not curious enough to actually read them, but definitely 
curious enough to attend a COLUG meeting about them. :-)

Dave


From rfunk at funknet.net  Thu Sep  9 21:16:11 2004
From: rfunk at funknet.net (Rob Funk)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:18 2005
Subject: [COLUG] regex help
In-Reply-To: <000701c4965e$f50b30a0$c80ba8c0@availxpvm>
References: <000701c4965e$f50b30a0$c80ba8c0@availxpvm>
Message-ID: <200409092116.11068.rfunk@funknet.net>

Austin Gresham wrote:
> I think it should be:
>
> egrep [[:upper:]]{2} *
>
> The "[[:upper:]]" is what you want "2" of...  (if that makes sense). 
> And I use the double enclosing bracket.
>
> I also used egrep.  For me grep won't work with this regex...

There's always [A-Z], which works fine with every regex engine, though it 
doesn't catch accented letters.
  egrep '[A-Z]{2}' *

But the {2} stuff isn't universally supported either...
  grep '[A-Z][A-Z]' *

I avoid the POSIX classes like [[:upper:]] whenever possible because their 
syntax is too confusing.

Then there's pcregrep(1).... :-)

-- 
==============================|   "A microscope locked in on one point
 Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> |Never sees what kind of room that it's in"
 http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"


From don at penguinsoftwareworks.com  Thu Sep  9 21:42:41 2004
From: don at penguinsoftwareworks.com (Don Dufresne)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:18 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <1094741764.789.42.camel@opus>
References: <1094741764.789.42.camel@opus>
Message-ID: <200409092142.41652.don@penguinsoftwareworks.com>

I've had years of great experiences with Dell servers with 3Ware IDE RAID 
controllers and Slackware or SCSI/Redhat.  HP/Compaq servers equally perform 
well, although, I've used Dell for all my client Linux/Windows servers.  
You'll need to put some thought into your backup strategy as well.  

The servers we have out there run themselves flawlessly, once setup.    In my 
day job I have supported many Windows servers.  It's unnerving how little we 
have to do maintenance or support on the Linux servers.  There's one out 
there that hasn't been rebooted in 2 years supporting Mac and Windows 
clients.  

I'm not a big fan of RedHat, but if you need support SuSe or RedHat are 
probably going to be your choices on a vendor sold system combo.  Dell/RedHat 
is my only experience and it's been excellent.  My humble 2 cents...

The Mac OSX servers are also a great new choice for the inexperienced.  My son 
inherited 2 of them in a school setting and loves them.  If you would have 
told me a year ago this would be the case we would have said you were crazy, 
but they seem to have a good thing going.  He recently migrated the network 
from a MS Exchange 2000/Win 2K server to Communicate Pro/Mac OSX Server and 
it is going very well.  This may be another avenue to explore, as the 
learning curve will be much less.

On Thursday 09 September 2004 10:56 am, Dane Miller wrote:
> olneyfriends.org>

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Partner, Sales and Marketing


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From blata at extent0006.entomology.ohio-state.edu  Thu Sep  9 22:45:18 2004
From: blata at extent0006.entomology.ohio-state.edu (Wade Pinkston)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:18 2005
Subject: [COLUG] pci - sata
In-Reply-To: <200409082315.45753.dmaxwell@columbus.rr.com>
References: <413FBDA3.4060001@bugs.osu.edu>
	<200409082315.45753.dmaxwell@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4141153E.9040905@bugs.osu.edu>

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Dave Maxwell wrote this to me on 09/08/2004 11:15 PM:

|On Wednesday 08 September 2004 10:19 pm, Wade Pinkston wrote:
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|>Before I though my hands up in total disgust and dismay.  Does anybody
|>know how to get a SIIG sat212 pci2sata io card working in Fedora or at
|>least in Linux?  I foolishly bought a Seagate sata hard drive and a
|>siig controller card.  Fedora was detected the card but I could not
|>figure out any way to get it at the drive on the other end.  As of yet
|>google has been no help.
|>
|
|cat /proc/scsi/scsi ?
|ls /proc/ide ?
|
|Sometimes these things get handled as SCSI devices even though they
really
|aren't.
|
|Dave
|
Ok  Today I tested the card in RH 3 and Knoppix with both the 2.4 and
2.6 kernel.  In both distros the hard drive was loaded at boot as hde
with siimage; No biggie makes sense.  In Fedora core2 with the 2.6.8
kernel nothing gets loaded on boot.  However, if I modprob siimage I
still get nothing but if I modprob sata_sil I get this:

dmesg=
ata1: SATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x22AA4E80 ctl 0x22AA4E8A bmdma 0x22AA4E00
irq 11
ata2: SATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x22AA4EC0 ctl 0x22AA4ECA bmdma 0x22AA4E08
irq 11
ata1: dev 0 cfg 49:2f00 82:346b 83:7f01 84:4003 85:3c68 86:3c01
87:4003 88:20ff
ata1: dev 0 ATA, max UDMA7, 234493056 sectors: lba48
ata1: dev 0 configured for UDMA/100
scsi0 : sata_sil
ata2: no device found (phy stat 00000000)
scsi1 : sata_sil
~  Vendor: ATA       Model: SAMSUNG SP1213C   Rev: SV10
~  Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 05
Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0,  type 0
SCSI device sda: 234493056 512-byte hdwr sectors (120060 MB)
SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back
~ sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 < sda5 >
Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0


cat /proc/scsi/scsi
Attached devices:
Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
~  Vendor: ATA      Model: SAMSUNG SP1213C  Rev: SV10
~  Type:   Direct-Access                    ANSI SCSI revision: 05


So I guess now my problem would be how to get fedora to load this
drive on boot and eventualy use that drive as a boot drive (i'm
looking to replace my pata 40g drive).



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From dmaxwell at columbus.rr.com  Thu Sep  9 23:48:10 2004
From: dmaxwell at columbus.rr.com (Dave Maxwell)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:18 2005
Subject: [COLUG] pci - sata
In-Reply-To: <4141153E.9040905@bugs.osu.edu>
References: <413FBDA3.4060001@bugs.osu.edu>
	<200409082315.45753.dmaxwell@columbus.rr.com>
	<4141153E.9040905@bugs.osu.edu>
Message-ID: <200409092348.10466.dmaxwell@columbus.rr.com>

On Thursday 09 September 2004 10:45 pm, Wade Pinkston wrote:
 
> So I guess now my problem would be how to get fedora to load this
> drive on boot and eventualy use that drive as a boot drive (i'm
> looking to replace my pata 40g drive).
>
I'm not familiar with how RH layout their kernels but I suspect that you may 
have to create a custom initrd image.  initrd images are used when you want 
to use a disk controller or file system on boot before the init scripts run 
and you didn't compile the drivers into the kernel.  You would have to 
include your sata drivers in the image.  initrd images basically create a 
temporary root file tree so that that module utilities can load what needs to 
be loaded.  They can also contain /dev entries for essential (say your boot 
drive's controller and disk?) devices.

man mkinitrd would be a good place to start.

Cheers!

Dave
-- 
He who is content with his lot probably has a lot.

From dollzerr at iwaynet.net  Fri Sep 10 00:36:15 2004
From: dollzerr at iwaynet.net (Jess Balint)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:18 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Compiling Apache DSO's
In-Reply-To: <1094685133.13158.16.camel@amd64.home.mattgardlik.com>
References: <1094496676.2875.9.camel@amd64.home.mattgardlik.com>	<413D0EAB.4020705@iwaynet.net>
	<1094685133.13158.16.camel@amd64.home.mattgardlik.com>
Message-ID: <41412F3F.7060105@iwaynet.net>

Well that's odd. You probably just need to do one of two things (try 
either of this in a test environment before you install them as root):

a) modify the environment variable called LD_LIBRARY_PATH in the shell 
that starts apache. either append the path the libssl.so to it or put 
that path in it if the variable is not already defined

b) edit /etc/ld.so.conf to have the path to libssl.so and run ldconfig 
(must be as root?). This is a permanent solution that will affect whole 
system (maybe you will want this).

On a side note, what are you doing with mod_perl? Are you developing on 
it, or just using something that is dependent on it?

~ Jess

Matthew Gardlik wrote:

> It was indeed a problem including the files.  However, now when I 
> restart httpd, I get the following error message:
> 
> Syntax error on line 235 of /usr/local/apache2/conf/httpd.conf:
> Cannot load /usr/local/apache2/modules/mod_ssl.so into server: 
> /usr/local/apache2/modules/mod_ssl.so: undefined symbol: ssl_cmd_SSLMutex
> 
> Any hints on how to fix this?  Thanks,
> 
> Matt
> 
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From sjs at khadrin.com  Fri Sep 10 08:27:23 2004
From: sjs at khadrin.com (Stephen J. Smith)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:19 2005
Subject: [COLUG] pci - sata
In-Reply-To: <200409092348.10466.dmaxwell@columbus.rr.com>
References: <413FBDA3.4060001@bugs.osu.edu>
	<200409082315.45753.dmaxwell@columbus.rr.com>
	<4141153E.9040905@bugs.osu.edu>
	<200409092348.10466.dmaxwell@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1094819243.20082.3088.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>

On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 23:48, Dave Maxwell wrote:
> On Thursday 09 September 2004 10:45 pm, Wade Pinkston wrote:
> > So I guess now my problem would be how to get fedora to load this
> > drive on boot and eventualy use that drive as a boot drive (i'm
> > looking to replace my pata 40g drive).
> >
> I'm not familiar with how RH layout their kernels but I suspect that you may 
> have to create a custom initrd image.

I would add that you can mount your current initrd, make changes, then
replace it.  It is gzip'd on Fedora, so uncompress it first.  Worth
doing as a learning adventure.

[sjs@cobra tmp]$ sudo mount -o loop initrd-2.6.8-1.521.img /mnt
[sjs@cobra mnt]$ ll /mnt/lib
total 203
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 116044 Aug 24 08:15 ext3.ko
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  88704 Aug 24 08:15 jbd.ko
[sjs@cobra mnt]$
[sjs@cobra mnt]$ find /mnt -type f -perm +1 |xargs grep ext3
/mnt/linuxrc:echo "Loading ext3.ko module"
/mnt/linuxrc:insmod /lib/ext3.ko
/mnt/linuxrc:mount -o defaults --ro -t ext3 /dev/root /sysroot
[sjs@cobra mnt]$

Also check out Documentation/initrd.txt in the kernel source.

-- 
Stephen J. Smith | sjs@khadrin.com | http://khadrin.com/


From dane at olneyfriends.org  Fri Sep 10 08:48:46 2004
From: dane at olneyfriends.org (Dane Miller)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:19 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <200409092142.41652.don@penguinsoftwareworks.com>
References: <1094741764.789.42.camel@opus>
	<200409092142.41652.don@penguinsoftwareworks.com>
Message-ID: <1094820526.793.57.camel@opus>

Thanks to everyone so far for great feedback and advice.  Due to recent
bad experience with a local white-boxer, I'm inclined to buy from a
major vendor (Dell, HP, IBM, others?).  However, I am a bit ashamed to
mention my budget for this machine. . . < $2000 with a target of $1000. 
Our business manager saw the latest Dell advert for $349 servers and
sets his expectations accordingly.

That said, for only 30 workstations this budget seems doable.  But where
does that leave RAID and backup?  Any thoughts on software RAID?  Is it
supported by commercial Linux vendors?

Related: how would you configure your hard drives/partitions for a
fileserver that shares and 80gb /home?

Dane


Don Dufresne wrote:
> I've had years of great experiences with Dell servers with 3Ware IDE RAID 
> controllers and Slackware or SCSI/Redhat.  HP/Compaq servers equally perform 
> well, although, I've used Dell for all my client Linux/Windows servers.  
> You'll need to put some thought into your backup strategy as well.  
> 
> The servers we have out there run themselves flawlessly, once setup.    In my 
> day job I have supported many Windows servers.  It's unnerving how little we 
> have to do maintenance or support on the Linux servers.  There's one out 
> there that hasn't been rebooted in 2 years supporting Mac and Windows 
> clients.  
> 
> I'm not a big fan of RedHat, but if you need support SuSe or RedHat are 
> probably going to be your choices on a vendor sold system combo.  Dell/RedHat 
> is my only experience and it's been excellent.  My humble 2 cents...
> 
> The Mac OSX servers are also a great new choice for the inexperienced.  My son 
> inherited 2 of them in a school setting and loves them.  If you would have 
> told me a year ago this would be the case we would have said you were crazy, 
> but they seem to have a good thing going.  He recently migrated the network 
> from a MS Exchange 2000/Win 2K server to Communicate Pro/Mac OSX Server and 
> it is going very well.  This may be another avenue to explore, as the 
> learning curve will be much less.
> 
> On Thursday 09 September 2004 10:56 am, Dane Miller wrote:
> > olneyfriends.org>
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From dane at olneyfriends.org  Fri Sep 10 08:55:07 2004
From: dane at olneyfriends.org (Dane Miller)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:19 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Request for Presentations
In-Reply-To: <35481.216.136.35.122.1094750120.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
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Scott Merrill wrote:
> * Mozilla Calendar plus phpicalender
>   http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/
>   http://phpicalendar.sourceforge.net/
>   http://www.webdav.org/mod_dav/

I would be interested to learn more about the calendaring you've been
playing with.

Dane
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From linux at ezas.net  Fri Sep 10 09:50:07 2004
From: linux at ezas.net (Linux User)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:19 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <1094820526.793.57.camel@opus>
References: <200409092142.41652.don@penguinsoftwareworks.com>
	<1094820526.793.57.camel@opus>
Message-ID: <20040910094301.D800.LINUX@ezas.net>

So, have you looked on eBay?

That's only 1/2 of a joke.  Depending on what your total drive needs are,
you can get into a box for around $500.  box == Compaq Dual Xeon, 512-1G
RAM, RAID Array w/ 4 9G drives.

Some will score, but I'm running my SMALL web hosting service on a Quad
Xeon eBay system.  It has been rock solid for > 1 year.  And it was $400

I think you mentioned vendor support in you original request.  You
should know that just about anything you buy <$1,000 will have near zero
support.  

You might mention to your business manager that his mis-understood the
ad.  There are a scant few Dell desktops that sell for $349 (After
rebate) and NO servers.  

Good luck,
Chris



From jsinglet at insight.rr.com  Fri Sep 10 10:33:09 2004
From: jsinglet at insight.rr.com (James Singleton)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:19 2005
Subject: [COLUG] gmail invites - two left
Message-ID: <200409101033.09974.jsinglet@insight.rr.com>

I've got two gmail invites left to share if anyone still needs/wants one.

Mail me off list here >  jbsingle@gmail.com
Jim ...


From KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET  Fri Sep 10 10:57:44 2004
From: KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET (Keith Larson)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:19 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Request for Presentations
Message-ID: <s14188b4.054@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>

I would also.


>>> dane@olneyfriends.org 9/10/2004 8:55:07 AM >>>

Scott Merrill wrote:
> * Mozilla Calendar plus phpicalender
>   http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/
>   http://phpicalendar.sourceforge.net/
>   http://www.webdav.org/mod_dav/

I would be interested to learn more about the calendaring you've been
playing with.

Dane


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From: jonadab at bright.net (Jonadab the Unsightly One)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:19 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Uses for a Sun Ultra 1...
In-Reply-To: <413E589F.9030205@unixsa.net> (Stephen P. Potter's message of
	"Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:55:59 -0400")
References: <20040907202607.GA9798@antec> <413E589F.9030205@unixsa.net>
Message-ID: <fz5q3ytc.fsf@jonadab.homeip.net>

Stephen P Potter <spp@unixsa.net> writes:

> Depends on what you mean by "worth it".  The U1 was a pretty decent
> box for its time.  It's a little slow now, but for most of what you
> might want to do on a Unix box, it's still pretty good.  Compiles
> might seem to take a long time, but that depends on your point of
> reference.

Whenever compiles seem to be taking a long time, I remember my
experiences compiling with Inform5 on my dad's secondhand 80286.  When
I got my PII/233, what formerly were hours-long compiles got done in
five seconds flat.

-- 
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From codger at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 12:50:58 2004
From: codger at gmail.com (Mike Lietz)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:19 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Re: colug1 Digest, Vol 3, Issue 19
In-Reply-To: <200409101600.i8AG04uZ018440@stones.wcbe.org>
References: <200409101600.i8AG04uZ018440@stones.wcbe.org>
Message-ID: <730ac5cd040910095079e98fa7@mail.gmail.com>

> 
> You might mention to your business manager that his mis-understood the
> ad.  There are a scant few Dell desktops that sell for $349 (After
> rebate) and NO servers.
> 

Funny you should say that, as it's possible right now to buy a
PowerEdge 400SC for exactly that (including a pentium 4 processor,
512MB ram and a year of support) after credits and rebate.

I've been watching them because the 400SC has a (functional but
unsupported) AGP slot and 800mhz FSB and SATA and all sorts of
wonderful things. If the price ever dips even lower I might pick one
up...

From josh at bitbuckets.com  Fri Sep 10 13:37:16 2004
From: josh at bitbuckets.com (Joshua Kramer)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:19 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <1094752232.14201.71.camel@lin651ap.hfsec.rdh.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409101335410.25362-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>


On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Lincoln Rutledge wrote:

> admit that Red Hat has been completely unresponsive, as have
> Mandrakesoft.  I hate Dell, but you could probably get a Red Hat/Dell

Hmmm.... what experiences do you have with Mandrakesoft, and what level of 
support had you paid for (via boxed set, paid support, etc.)?

Thanks,
--JOsh




From matterantimatter at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 13:02:22 2004
From: matterantimatter at gmail.com (matt howard)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:19 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <20040910094301.D800.LINUX@ezas.net>
References: <200409092142.41652.don@penguinsoftwareworks.com>
	<1094820526.793.57.camel@opus> <20040910094301.D800.LINUX@ezas.net>
Message-ID: <3c74031504091010027d0ff810@mail.gmail.com>

You might also want to look at White Box Linux
(http://whiteboxlinux.org/).  It's a free-as-in-beer distro based on
RedHat Enterprise Linux 3.0.  It's got some of the Advanced Server
packages as well.

Whitebox does differ from RHEL, however.  The SRPMs that RedHat ships
are not the same sources they use to build their binaries in a few
cases ( good luck trying to  get Ximian Connector working, for
example).  That said, yum works really well, and it's a rock-solid
distro.  We have about half a dozen systems running everything from
sendmail to jboss to apache/php/mysql.  No complaints.

M


On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:50:07 -0400, Linux User <linux@ezas.net> wrote:
> So, have you looked on eBay?
> 
> That's only 1/2 of a joke.  Depending on what your total drive needs are,
> you can get into a box for around $500.  box == Compaq Dual Xeon, 512-1G
> RAM, RAID Array w/ 4 9G drives.
> 
> Some will score, but I'm running my SMALL web hosting service on a Quad
> Xeon eBay system.  It has been rock solid for > 1 year.  And it was $400
> 
> I think you mentioned vendor support in you original request.  You
> should know that just about anything you buy <$1,000 will have near zero
> support.
> 
> You might mention to your business manager that his mis-understood the
> ad.  There are a scant few Dell desktops that sell for $349 (After
> rebate) and NO servers.
> 
> Good luck,
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From chriseverest at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 13:16:33 2004
From: chriseverest at gmail.com (Chris Everest)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:19 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409101335410.25362-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
References: <1094752232.14201.71.camel@lin651ap.hfsec.rdh.ohio-state.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0409101335410.25362-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
Message-ID: <864321e20409101016760433e3@mail.gmail.com>

All that I can say is do not use Fedora on a production server.  It is
strictly stated by RedHat that Fedora is for "bleeding edge" i.e. beta
only environments.  Bite the bullet and get Red Hat Workstation or
Server. You will not be dissappointed with the money spent.  As well
Dell is now shipping with Red Hat and is supplying (level 1) support
with level 2 support from Red Hat directly for their enterprise OS and
apps.


On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:37:16 -0400 (EDT), Joshua Kramer
<josh@bitbuckets.com> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Lincoln Rutledge wrote:
> 
> > admit that Red Hat has been completely unresponsive, as have
> > Mandrakesoft.  I hate Dell, but you could probably get a Red Hat/Dell
> 
> Hmmm.... what experiences do you have with Mandrakesoft, and what level of
> support had you paid for (via boxed set, paid support, etc.)?
> 
> Thanks,
> --JOsh
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From frank_rieder at bankone.com  Fri Sep 10 13:17:11 2004
From: frank_rieder at bankone.com (frank_rieder@bankone.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:19 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <3c74031504091010027d0ff810@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF852497B2.012F289E-ON85256F0B.005EC612-85256F0B.005EF510@bankone.com>





I updated my Redhat ES server to Centos with YUM. and everything that said
redhat now says centos.  Other than that I have seen no difference.
Granted I dont use it for a lot and I am not all that experienced but still
looks seamless to me.


Frank Rieder
Operations Specialist
Banc One Leasing Corporation
Mail code OH1-1085
Phone: 614-213-4591
Fax: 614-213-2083
toll-free 800-879-7184 ext. 34591
Email : Frank Rieder@Bankone.com




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You might also want to look at White Box Linux
(http://whiteboxlinux.org/).  It's a free-as-in-beer distro based on
RedHat Enterprise Linux 3.0.  It's got some of the Advanced Server
packages as well.

Whitebox does differ from RHEL, however.  The SRPMs that RedHat ships
are not the same sources they use to build their binaries in a few
cases ( good luck trying to  get Ximian Connector working, for
example).  That said, yum works really well, and it's a rock-solid
distro.  We have about half a dozen systems running everything from
sendmail to jboss to apache/php/mysql.  No complaints.

M


On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:50:07 -0400, Linux User <linux@ezas.net> wrote:
> So, have you looked on eBay?
>
> That's only 1/2 of a joke.  Depending on what your total drive needs are,
> you can get into a box for around $500.  box == Compaq Dual Xeon, 512-1G
> RAM, RAID Array w/ 4 9G drives.
>
> Some will score, but I'm running my SMALL web hosting service on a Quad
> Xeon eBay system.  It has been rock solid for > 1 year.  And it was $400
>
> I think you mentioned vendor support in you original request.  You
> should know that just about anything you buy <$1,000 will have near zero
> support.
>
> You might mention to your business manager that his mis-understood the
> ad.  There are a scant few Dell desktops that sell for $349 (After
> rebate) and NO servers.
>
> Good luck,
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>



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From WKehr at checkfree.com  Fri Sep 10 13:46:20 2004
From: WKehr at checkfree.com (WKehr@checkfree.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:19 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <OF852497B2.012F289E-ON85256F0B.005EC612-85256F0B.005EF510@bankone.com>
Message-ID: <OFC7274B81.4A340E15-ON85256F0B.00609F00-85256F0B.00619F43@checkfree.com>

I have a couple points/questions.

Is there any concern that different servers for this school be the same 
brand and/or OS and be supported by the same people?   This might suggest 
that what you purchase now would influence other servers such as file 
servers or web servers.

I would think that from a setup and backup perspective, a print server 
would be the easiest to set up (less configuration than a web server, less 
backup requirements than a file server).   So might a moderately priced PC 
be sufficient?    In that case support could consist of throwing the old 
hardware away, buying new hardware, reloading software, and reloading the 
few configuration and/or password files that exist.   A PC and then a 
complete replacement of that PC might be less expensive than a "server" 
and a maintenance contract.
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From linux at ezas.net  Fri Sep 10 14:13:28 2004
From: linux at ezas.net (Linux User)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:19 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Re: colug1 Digest, Vol 3, Issue 19
In-Reply-To: <730ac5cd040910095079e98fa7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200409101600.i8AG04uZ018440@stones.wcbe.org>
	<730ac5cd040910095079e98fa7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040910141208.D80A.LINUX@ezas.net>

If you call that thing a Server, then I stand corrected.
I call it a cheap PC with a good sales pitch.  It reminds me of the days
when all software became "User Friendly" simply by stamping it on the
retail box.



From matterantimatter at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 14:14:26 2004
From: matterantimatter at gmail.com (matt howard)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:19 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <OFC7274B81.4A340E15-ON85256F0B.00609F00-85256F0B.00619F43@checkfree.com>
References: <OF852497B2.012F289E-ON85256F0B.005EC612-85256F0B.005EF510@bankone.com>
	<OFC7274B81.4A340E15-ON85256F0B.00609F00-85256F0B.00619F43@checkfree.com>
Message-ID: <3c74031504091011144b181285@mail.gmail.com>

* Disclaimer * I work for Ohio SchoolNet Commission, but this is a
free service that we provide to all public and private k-12 schools in
Ohio.

One thing to think about when purchasing equipment for schools - check
out the Ohio SchoolNet Commission's  Equipment and Services Catalog
(http://www.osn.state.oh.us/go/snpr5/ - you'll need to create an
account for yourself).

OSNC had negotiated statewide pricing for K-12 schools from HP, IBM,
Dell, Gateway, Apple, and CDWG.  You still purchase through the
vendor, but you can reference the catalog pricing.  Most of the prices
are 10-20% below the vendor's stated educational pricing (except
Apple, who only seems to give about 3% below educational pricing).

All of the bundles come with a 3-year on-site support contract
(server, desktop, laptop), and all of them meet or exceed the state's
minimum hardware guidelines.  It's a great way to save school's some
$$.




----- Original Message -----
From: wkehr@checkfree.com <wkehr@checkfree.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:46:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
To: Central OH Linux User Group <colug1@colug.net>

 
I have a couple points/questions. 
 
Is there any concern that different servers for this school be the
same brand and/or OS and be supported by the same people?   This might
suggest that what you purchase now would influence other servers such
as file servers or web servers.
 
I would think that from a setup and backup perspective, a print server
would be the easiest to set up (less configuration than a web server,
less backup requirements than a file server).   So might a moderately
priced PC be sufficient?    In that case support could consist of
throwing the old hardware away, buying new hardware, reloading
software, and reloading the few configuration and/or password files
that exist.   A PC and then a complete replacement of that PC might be
less expensive than a "server" and a maintenance contract.

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From dane at olneyfriends.org  Fri Sep 10 14:27:44 2004
From: dane at olneyfriends.org (Dane Miller)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:20 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <3c74031504091011144b181285@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OF852497B2.012F289E-ON85256F0B.005EC612-85256F0B.005EF510@bankone.com>
	<OFC7274B81.4A340E15-ON85256F0B.00609F00-85256F0B.00619F43@checkfree.com>
	<3c74031504091011144b181285@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1094840864.789.109.camel@opus>

This is great advice.  Thank you.  CDWG is one of the vendors I'm
dealing with for this purchase.  From their extranet, it looks like we
are currently seeing Ohio pricing.  I'll double check though.

Dane

On Fri, 2004-09-10 at 14:14, matt howard wrote:
> * Disclaimer * I work for Ohio SchoolNet Commission, but this is a
> free service that we provide to all public and private k-12 schools in
> Ohio.
> 
> One thing to think about when purchasing equipment for schools - check
> out the Ohio SchoolNet Commission's  Equipment and Services Catalog
> (http://www.osn.state.oh.us/go/snpr5/ - you'll need to create an
> account for yourself).
> 
> OSNC had negotiated statewide pricing for K-12 schools from HP, IBM,
> Dell, Gateway, Apple, and CDWG.  You still purchase through the
> vendor, but you can reference the catalog pricing.  Most of the prices
> are 10-20% below the vendor's stated educational pricing (except
> Apple, who only seems to give about 3% below educational pricing).
> 
> All of the bundles come with a 3-year on-site support contract
> (server, desktop, laptop), and all of them meet or exceed the state's
> minimum hardware guidelines.  It's a great way to save school's some
> $$.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wkehr@checkfree.com <wkehr@checkfree.com>
> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:46:20 -0400
> Subject: Re: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
> To: Central OH Linux User Group <colug1@colug.net>
> 
>  
> I have a couple points/questions. 
>  
> Is there any concern that different servers for this school be the
> same brand and/or OS and be supported by the same people?   This might
> suggest that what you purchase now would influence other servers such
> as file servers or web servers.
>  
> I would think that from a setup and backup perspective, a print server
> would be the easiest to set up (less configuration than a web server,
> less backup requirements than a file server).   So might a moderately
> priced PC be sufficient?    In that case support could consist of
> throwing the old hardware away, buying new hardware, reloading
> software, and reloading the few configuration and/or password files
> that exist.   A PC and then a complete replacement of that PC might be
> less expensive than a "server" and a maintenance contract.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


From amgad at amgad.org  Fri Sep 10 22:53:10 2004
From: amgad at amgad.org (Amgad Fahmy)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:20 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <1094741764.789.42.camel@opus>
Message-ID: <200409110253.i8B2rIZg023484@ns1.dnsez.net>

I would say it depends on what you feel comfort supporting and the $$ you
want to spend, I would spend the money in dell (used) from e-bay dual
processor  server, RAID controller, 4 large drives 36G +& Linux regular
version (no support)

Good luck

-----Original Message-----
From: colug1-bounces@colug.net [mailto:colug1-bounces@colug.net] On Behalf
Of Dane Miller
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:56 AM
To: colug1@colug.net
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?

Hello, 

I'm in charge of buying a new file/print server for my small school (30
desktops, linux & windows) and could use some suggestions. Some basic
questions I'm considering include 1) vendor choice: brand-name vs.
whitebox vs. hand-built, and 2) Linux distro.

Any recommendations? Any "enterprise-class" hardware I should look for
or avoid? As for Linux, I am used to Debian, but have run into
situations where I wanted better support.

Thanks for any advice, 
Dane


From robb at bossleyfamily.com  Fri Sep 10 20:05:21 2004
From: robb at bossleyfamily.com (Robb Bossley)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:20 2005
Subject: [COLUG] zsh shell oddity
Message-ID: <20040911000521.2cbb0d77@Samuel.bigbobs.org>

I was wondering if anyone could enlighten me...

I am playing around with the shells, and I was using zsh recently.  I noticed that zsh does not recognize 'grep [0-9]' like bash does.  Can anyone explain why, and what would work in place of it?

On a more amusing note, my company is doing budget numbers for the coming year and my co-workers and I were jokingly discussing terms that could be used in itemizing repair purchases that need to be made.  A couple of the suggestions were:

- High speed wobble shaft
- Hemulator
- Flux resonator (not to be confused with a flux capacitor)

Any other good ones?  It is always fun to come up with these!

Robb

From linux at ezas.net  Sat Sep 11 00:41:37 2004
From: linux at ezas.net (Linux User)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:20 2005
Subject: [COLUG] zsh shell oddity
In-Reply-To: <20040911000521.2cbb0d77@Samuel.bigbobs.org>
References: <20040911000521.2cbb0d77@Samuel.bigbobs.org>
Message-ID: <20040911003812.D816.LINUX@ezas.net>

Other repair items:

Binay Load Lifter
Heat Sync Upgrade (note spelling)
Urgency Sensor 





From rfunk at funknet.net  Sat Sep 11 03:32:18 2004
From: rfunk at funknet.net (Rob Funk)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:20 2005
Subject: [COLUG] zsh shell oddity
In-Reply-To: <20040911000521.2cbb0d77@Samuel.bigbobs.org>
References: <20040911000521.2cbb0d77@Samuel.bigbobs.org>
Message-ID: <200409110332.18346.rfunk@funknet.net>

Robb Bossley wrote:
> I am playing around with the shells, and I was using zsh recently.  I
> noticed that zsh does not recognize 'grep [0-9]' like bash does.  Can
> anyone explain why, and what would work in place of it?

If I'm understanding you correctly, you need to add quotes:
  grep '[0-9]' filename

[0-9] unquoted tells the shell to look for a file whose name is just a 
number.

-- 
==============================|   "A microscope locked in on one point
 Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> |Never sees what kind of room that it's in"
 http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"


From robb at bossleyfamily.com  Sat Sep 11 17:25:07 2004
From: robb at bossleyfamily.com (Robb Bossley)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:20 2005
Subject: [COLUG] zsh shell oddity
In-Reply-To: <200409110332.18346.rfunk@funknet.net>
References: <20040911000521.2cbb0d77@Samuel.bigbobs.org>
	<200409110332.18346.rfunk@funknet.net>
Message-ID: <20040911212507.17341204@Samuel.bigbobs.org>

Thanks Rob.  Shortly after I sent the message I stumbled upon the answer.  Last time I tried to find the answer, I just succeeded in annoying myself.

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 03:32:18 -0400
Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> wrote:

> Robb Bossley wrote:
> > I am playing around with the shells, and I was using zsh recently.  I
> > noticed that zsh does not recognize 'grep [0-9]' like bash does.  Can
> > anyone explain why, and what would work in place of it?
> 
> If I'm understanding you correctly, you need to add quotes:
>   grep '[0-9]' filename
> 
> [0-9] unquoted tells the shell to look for a file whose name is just a 
> number.
> 
> -- 
> ==============================|   "A microscope locked in on one point
>  Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> |Never sees what kind of room that it's in"
>  http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
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From bob at disclosed.org  Sat Sep 11 22:16:54 2004
From: bob at disclosed.org (Robert Jewell)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:20 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Huge amounts of hard links
Message-ID: <1094955414.17364.10.camel@meatloaf>

I'm writing something to take an enormous arbitrarily organized group of
digital audio files, and then using a combination of metainfo and
filenames, creating an sql database of this info, attached to file
locations and checksums..    (this is not something new)

then I'm writing something to create useful "pseudo" directory
structures, at will.. using hardlinks.  

Example:

 originally, every single mp3 you have is in /data/mp3/
 then, using the structure-creation-tool, you can create:
 /music/by-artist/$artist/$filename
 /music/by-song/$first_letter_of_song/$filename

Additionally, the database will acquire more information about each
file.. (ratings, sorting tags, etc) to allow for more advanced
sorting/listening methods.  


anyway, the question I really want to ask:  Is there anything
fundamentally wrong with having potentially hundreds of thousands of
hardlinks? :)

Is there a certain filesystem that would deal with this better than
others?  Right now, I'm using reiserfs3.. soon 4.. 

Anything anybody can think of, off the top of their head, that will
cause a resource problem?  any showstopping bottlenecks?  

Thanks,
Bob



From rfunk at funknet.net  Sun Sep 12 02:23:10 2004
From: rfunk at funknet.net (Rob Funk)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:20 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Huge amounts of hard links
In-Reply-To: <1094955414.17364.10.camel@meatloaf>
References: <1094955414.17364.10.camel@meatloaf>
Message-ID: <200409120223.10586.rfunk@funknet.net>

Robert Jewell wrote:
> anyway, the question I really want to ask:  Is there anything
> fundamentally wrong with having potentially hundreds of thousands of
> hardlinks? :)

Of course not; remember, every file on your filesystem has at least one 
hardlink.

> Is there a certain filesystem that would deal with this better than
> others?  Right now, I'm using reiserfs3.. soon 4..

I can't think of any reason one fs would do this better than another.  
Reiser is optimized for small files, which might help for symlinks but 
wouldn't affect hardlinks.

> Anything anybody can think of, off the top of their head, that will
> cause a resource problem?  any showstopping bottlenecks?

Each hardlink is just a directory entry pointing to an inode.  Multiple 
hardlinks to the same file just point to the same inode.  So it's not even 
a question of running out of inodes.

Link all you want.

-- 
==============================|   "A microscope locked in on one point
 Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> |Never sees what kind of room that it's in"
 http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"


From matterantimatter at gmail.com  Sun Sep 12 11:26:36 2004
From: matterantimatter at gmail.com (matt howard)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:20 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Huge amounts of hard links
In-Reply-To: <200409120223.10586.rfunk@funknet.net>
References: <1094955414.17364.10.camel@meatloaf>
	<200409120223.10586.rfunk@funknet.net>
Message-ID: <3c74031504091208268725e3e@mail.gmail.com>

here's a possibly related post form the Kernel Archive comparing a
similar situation using ext3 and Reiser.  Reiser doesn't seem to have
the limitations on number of files, but the post indicates it does
seem to have some bulk-file performance issues.  YMMV

http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0407.1/1469.html

M

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 02:23:10 -0400, Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> wrote:
> Robert Jewell wrote:
> > anyway, the question I really want to ask:  Is there anything
> > fundamentally wrong with having potentially hundreds of thousands of
> > hardlinks? :)
> 
> Of course not; remember, every file on your filesystem has at least one
> hardlink.
> 
> > Is there a certain filesystem that would deal with this better than
> > others?  Right now, I'm using reiserfs3.. soon 4..
> 
> I can't think of any reason one fs would do this better than another.
> Reiser is optimized for small files, which might help for symlinks but
> wouldn't affect hardlinks.
> 
> > Anything anybody can think of, off the top of their head, that will
> > cause a resource problem?  any showstopping bottlenecks?
> 
> Each hardlink is just a directory entry pointing to an inode.  Multiple
> hardlinks to the same file just point to the same inode.  So it's not even
> a question of running out of inodes.
> 
> Link all you want.
> 
> --
> ==============================|   "A microscope locked in on one point
>  Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> |Never sees what kind of room that it's in"
>  http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 



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From rfunk at funknet.net  Sun Sep 12 11:39:47 2004
From: rfunk at funknet.net (Rob Funk)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:20 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Huge amounts of hard links
In-Reply-To: <3c74031504091208268725e3e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1094955414.17364.10.camel@meatloaf>
	<200409120223.10586.rfunk@funknet.net>
	<3c74031504091208268725e3e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200409121139.47876.rfunk@funknet.net>

matt howard wrote:
> here's a possibly related post form the Kernel Archive comparing a
> similar situation using ext3 and Reiser.  Reiser doesn't seem to have
> the limitations on number of files, but the post indicates it does
> seem to have some bulk-file performance issues.  YMMV
>
> http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0407.1/1469.html

Looks like the issue there is directories, rather than files, though based 
on what they're saying it may be true that in ext3 any single file can't 
have more than 32000 hardlinks.  The link count is stored in the inode, so 
presumably there's a limited field width there.

I don't see the mp3-categorizing scheme described running into that 
problem, but if so I guess Reiser would be a better choice after all.

-- 
==============================|   "A microscope locked in on one point
 Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> |Never sees what kind of room that it's in"
 http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"


From chad_work2001 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 12 13:44:50 2004
From: chad_work2001 at yahoo.com (chad work)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:20 2005
Subject: [COLUG] changing fsck countdown time
Message-ID: <20040912174450.26302.qmail@web14324.mail.yahoo.com>

After a system crash in Fedora Core 2, my system boots
and then gives  me a brief 5-second opportunity to
press "Y" to let fsck check the file system.  

How can I change this time to, say, 10 seconds?

Thanks.
-Chad



		
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From gordon.mott at gmail.com  Sun Sep 12 14:03:13 2004
From: gordon.mott at gmail.com (Gordon Mott)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:20 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Request for Presentations
In-Reply-To: <200409091726.i89HQKS00351@srv45.cas.org>
References: <35481.216.136.35.122.1094750120.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
	<200409091726.i89HQKS00351@srv45.cas.org>
Message-ID: <2ee98d2804091211035da84bec@mail.gmail.com>

This sounds extremely cool.  I'd actually have to make sure I made the
meeting for once.  =)

-Gordon


On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:26:20 -0400 (EDT), Mike Harrold <mharrold@cas.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone.
> >
> > I'm lining up presentations for the coming months, but I'm coming up short
> > for _this_ month.  Does anyone have anything they'd like to share with the
> > group for our September meeting?
> >
> > Possible items of interest:
> >
> > * Our last two presentations were about CVS.  Anyone interested in showing
> > us Subversion?  Or BitKeeper?
> >   http://subversion.tigris.org/
> >   http://www.bitkeeper.com/
> >
> > * Sybase just announced the free-as-in-beer release of their database
> > product.  Anyone with Sybase experience care to compare and contract this
> > with other databases -- closed and open?
> >   http://www.sybase.com/linuxpromo
> 
> I could do this, depending when the meeting is. I've never presented before,
> heck, I've not made a meeting yet :-) However, I've been a Sybase DBA for
> almost 8 years, and currently sit on the Board of Directors for the
> International Sybase User Group, so I am probably qualified to do this.
> 
> My issue would be that I've never worked with MySQL, Postgres or any of the
> other OpenSource Databases. I do have some Oracle experience.
> 
> It would depend on what the group was interested in hearing about. I would
> be glad to talk about the Promo, who it is aimed at, what the restrictions
> are, etc., as well as general Sybase capabilities. This might be useful
> since Sybase was the first commercial DBMS vendor to release a product on
> Linux, yet gets very little press on the matter. I can also talk some about
> ISUG itself if desired.
> 
> If there is interest from the group, I can probably get someone from Sybase
> to shared the presentation duties with me. (This would be much easier if
> the meeting is on a Wednesday this month.)
> 
> Let me know.
> 
> Mike Harrold
> ISUG Membership Director  <mike@isug.com>
> Have your say on Product Enhancements at http://www.isug.com
> [Disclaimer: Opinions, etc., expressed in this email are not
>              necessarily the opinions, etc., of ISUG.]
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 



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From jim at rossberry.com  Sun Sep 12 14:16:42 2004
From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:20 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Request for Presentations
In-Reply-To: <1094820907.793.62.camel@opus>
References: <35481.216.136.35.122.1094750120.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
	<1094820907.793.62.camel@opus>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409121416150.4767@newross.rossberry.private>

As a suggestion, plan your presentation for a 1 hour meeting.  NOT
2 hours.  

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004, Dane Miller wrote:

> Scott Merrill wrote:
> > * Mozilla Calendar plus phpicalender
> >   http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/
> >   http://phpicalendar.sourceforge.net/
> >   http://www.webdav.org/mod_dav/
> 
> I would be interested to learn more about the calendaring you've been
> playing with.
> 
> Dane
> 

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE       jim@rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com
"Our political way of life is by the laws of nature, of nature's God, and
of course presupposes the existence of God, the moral ruler of the
universe, and a rule of right and wrong, of just and unjust, binding upon
man, preceding all institutions of human society and government."
John Quincy Adamns

From bob at disclosed.org  Sun Sep 12 14:54:44 2004
From: bob at disclosed.org (Robert Jewell)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:20 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Huge amounts of hard links
In-Reply-To: <200409121139.47876.rfunk@funknet.net>
References: <1094955414.17364.10.camel@meatloaf>
	<200409120223.10586.rfunk@funknet.net>
	<3c74031504091208268725e3e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200409121139.47876.rfunk@funknet.net>
Message-ID: <1095015284.8342.0.camel@meatloaf>

On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 11:39, Rob Funk wrote:
> > http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0407.1/1469.html
> 
> Looks like the issue there is directories, rather than files, though based 
> on what they're saying it may be true that in ext3 any single file can't 
> have more than 32000 hardlinks.  The link count is stored in the inode, so 
> presumably there's a limited field width there.
> 
> I don't see the mp3-categorizing scheme described running into that 
> problem, but if so I guess Reiser would be a better choice after all.

Good enough for me. :)

..thanks.



From lefevre.10 at osu.edu  Sun Sep 12 15:09:09 2004
From: lefevre.10 at osu.edu (Steve Lefevre)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:20 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Huge amounts of hard links
In-Reply-To: <1094955414.17364.10.camel@meatloaf>
References: <1094955414.17364.10.camel@meatloaf>
Message-ID: <41449ED5.3020403@osu.edu>

I don't know the answer to your questions, but you may want to have a 
look at this:

http://www.gobolinux.org

It's a distro that replaces crufty unix fs naming conventions with 
something a little more intuitive (i.e. /Programs, /System, /Users). I 
understand it uses symlinks rather heavily.



Robert Jewell wrote:

>I'm writing something to take an enormous arbitrarily organized group of
>digital audio files, and then using a combination of metainfo and
>filenames, creating an sql database of this info, attached to file
>locations and checksums..    (this is not something new)
>
>then I'm writing something to create useful "pseudo" directory
>structures, at will.. using hardlinks.  
>
>Example:
>
> originally, every single mp3 you have is in /data/mp3/
> then, using the structure-creation-tool, you can create:
> /music/by-artist/$artist/$filename
> /music/by-song/$first_letter_of_song/$filename
>
>Additionally, the database will acquire more information about each
>file.. (ratings, sorting tags, etc) to allow for more advanced
>sorting/listening methods.  
>
>
>anyway, the question I really want to ask:  Is there anything
>fundamentally wrong with having potentially hundreds of thousands of
>hardlinks? :)
>
>Is there a certain filesystem that would deal with this better than
>others?  Right now, I'm using reiserfs3.. soon 4.. 
>
>Anything anybody can think of, off the top of their head, that will
>cause a resource problem?  any showstopping bottlenecks?  
>
>Thanks,
>Bob
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>
>
>  
>


From joe at whipple.cc  Sun Sep 12 16:16:55 2004
From: joe at whipple.cc (Joe Whipple)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:20 2005
Subject: [COLUG] New job oppertunity
Message-ID: <4144AEB7.7040908@whipple.cc>

Im leaving where I currently work to take a job back with OCSEA.
If anyone is interested, my company posted my job on monster as:

Network Technician
Monster job #24050750


Basically an admin job nearing the end of a active directory to samba 
migration.
More or less a all linux shop except for 2 web servers and MSSQL.

If interested please reply through monster only, and mention your a 
member of COLUG so I can give you more than a skim :)

Joe



From rfunk at funknet.net  Sun Sep 12 16:45:32 2004
From: rfunk at funknet.net (Rob Funk)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:20 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Monster (was New job oppertunity)
In-Reply-To: <4144AEB7.7040908@whipple.cc>
References: <4144AEB7.7040908@whipple.cc>
Message-ID: <200409121645.32737.rfunk@funknet.net>

Joe Whipple wrote:
> If interested please reply through monster only, and mention your a
> member of COLUG so I can give you more than a skim :)

Why do companies decide to force applicants to go through monster only, 
rather than taking resumes directly?

I find monster to be a pain to deal with from the job-seeker side, because 
of its strict format.  It always reminds me of this line:
"There is no space for what you need to know
on the forms that I must fill out."*


* http://www.sayhername.com/music/finally/half.rm
-- 
==============================|   "A microscope locked in on one point
 Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> |Never sees what kind of room that it's in"
 http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"


From joe at whipple.cc  Sun Sep 12 16:52:33 2004
From: joe at whipple.cc (Joe Whipple)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:21 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Monster (was New job oppertunity)
In-Reply-To: <200409121645.32737.rfunk@funknet.net>
References: <4144AEB7.7040908@whipple.cc>
	<200409121645.32737.rfunk@funknet.net>
Message-ID: <4144B711.3090305@whipple.cc>

Sorry, I ment reply using the monster email for that job 
(itjobs@americatab.com) not THIS email as it has to go to a few people 
and I dont want to spend the day forwarding emails.

If you want to send your resume directly using that email, feel free, 
but do not send zip's or exe's as they get blocked.


Joe


Rob Funk wrote:

>Joe Whipple wrote:
>  
>
>>If interested please reply through monster only, and mention your a
>>member of COLUG so I can give you more than a skim :)
>>    
>>
>
>Why do companies decide to force applicants to go through monster only, 
>rather than taking resumes directly?
>
>I find monster to be a pain to deal with from the job-seeker side, because 
>of its strict format.  It always reminds me of this line:
>"There is no space for what you need to know
>on the forms that I must fill out."*
>
>
>* http://www.sayhername.com/music/finally/half.rm
>  
>

From rfunk at funknet.net  Sun Sep 12 17:16:52 2004
From: rfunk at funknet.net (Rob Funk)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:21 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Monster (was New job oppertunity)
In-Reply-To: <4144B711.3090305@whipple.cc>
References: <4144AEB7.7040908@whipple.cc>
	<200409121645.32737.rfunk@funknet.net>
	<4144B711.3090305@whipple.cc>
Message-ID: <200409121716.52457.rfunk@funknet.net>

Joe Whipple wrote:
> If you want to send your resume directly using that email, feel free,
> but do not send zip's or exe's as they get blocked.

Sorry, I meant it as more of a general policy/philosophy question, since I 
have a job now (as of Sept 1) and live two hours away from Columbus.  But 
I'm glad that resumes will be accepted directly.

A few months ago I ran into another situation where the company would only 
take applications through monster, so when I saw a second instance it 
started to look like a trend.

-- 
==============================|   "A microscope locked in on one point
 Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> |Never sees what kind of room that it's in"
 http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"


From pat at linuxcolumbus.com  Sun Sep 12 19:40:20 2004
From: pat at linuxcolumbus.com (Pat Collins)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:21 2005
Subject: [COLUG] New job oppertunity
In-Reply-To: <4144AEB7.7040908@whipple.cc>
References: <4144AEB7.7040908@whipple.cc>
Message-ID: <20040912234020.GD6245@linuxcolumbus.com>

On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 04:16:55PM -0400, Joe Whipple wrote:
> Basically an admin job nearing the end of a active directory to samba 
> migration.

Excellent!  We need to see more of this.

Pat

From pat at linuxcolumbus.com  Sun Sep 12 19:41:53 2004
From: pat at linuxcolumbus.com (Pat Collins)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:21 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Monster (was New job oppertunity)
In-Reply-To: <200409121716.52457.rfunk@funknet.net>
References: <4144AEB7.7040908@whipple.cc>
	<200409121645.32737.rfunk@funknet.net>
	<4144B711.3090305@whipple.cc>
	<200409121716.52457.rfunk@funknet.net>
Message-ID: <20040912234153.GE6245@linuxcolumbus.com>

On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 05:16:52PM -0400, Rob Funk wrote:
> Sorry, I meant it as more of a general policy/philosophy question, since I 
> have a job now (as of Sept 1) and live two hours away from Columbus.  But 
>

Congratulations. 

Pat
 

From lefevre.10 at osu.edu  Sun Sep 12 21:14:47 2004
From: lefevre.10 at osu.edu (Steve Lefevre)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:21 2005
Subject: [COLUG] New job oppertunity
In-Reply-To: <20040912234020.GD6245@linuxcolumbus.com>
References: <4144AEB7.7040908@whipple.cc>
	<20040912234020.GD6245@linuxcolumbus.com>
Message-ID: <4144F487.3010901@osu.edu>

Won't Linux's stability put the squeeze on admins' jobs?

Pat Collins wrote:

>On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 04:16:55PM -0400, Joe Whipple wrote:
>  
>
>>Basically an admin job nearing the end of a active directory to samba 
>>migration.
>>    
>>
>
>Excellent!  We need to see more of this.
>
>Pat
>_______________________________________________
>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>
>
>  
>


From matterantimatter at gmail.com  Sun Sep 12 22:03:34 2004
From: matterantimatter at gmail.com (matt howard)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:21 2005
Subject: [COLUG] New job oppertunity
In-Reply-To: <4144F487.3010901@osu.edu>
References: <4144AEB7.7040908@whipple.cc>
	<20040912234020.GD6245@linuxcolumbus.com> <4144F487.3010901@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <3c740315040912190328b41142@mail.gmail.com>

There's always something that needs to be done....and not every one
wants to devote their life to Linux, so where the two intersect, we
have the sysadmin industry...

M

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:14:47 -0400, Steve Lefevre <lefevre.10@osu.edu> wrote:
> Won't Linux's stability put the squeeze on admins' jobs?
> 
> 
> 
> Pat Collins wrote:
> 
> >On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 04:16:55PM -0400, Joe Whipple wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Basically an admin job nearing the end of a active directory to samba
> >>migration.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Excellent!  We need to see more of this.
> >
> >Pat
> >_______________________________________________
> >colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> >http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 



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From sjs at khadrin.com  Mon Sep 13 07:49:52 2004
From: sjs at khadrin.com (Stephen J. Smith)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:21 2005
Subject: [COLUG] changing fsck countdown time
In-Reply-To: <20040912174450.26302.qmail@web14324.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040912174450.26302.qmail@web14324.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1095076191.3089.6.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>

On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 13:44, chad work wrote:
> After a system crash in Fedora Core 2, my system boots
> gives  me a brief 5-second opportunity to
> press "Y" to let fsck check the file system.  
> 
> How can I change this time to, say, 10 seconds?

Bring up /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit in your favorite text editor and change
the line containing "AUTOFSCK_TIMEOUT=5" as you see fit.  Better yet,
create a file /etc/sysconfig/autofsck and set the AUTFSCK_TIMEOUT
variable there.

Either way, you can learn a lot by reading over rc.sysinit.  It is the
first of the rc scripts to run.

-- 
Stephen J. Smith | sjs@khadrin.com | http://khadrin.com/


From jonadab at bright.net  Mon Sep 13 08:48:02 2004
From: jonadab at bright.net (Jonadab the Unsightly One)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:21 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Huge amounts of hard links
In-Reply-To: <1094955414.17364.10.camel@meatloaf> (Robert Jewell's message
	of "Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:16:54 -0400")
References: <1094955414.17364.10.camel@meatloaf>
Message-ID: <ekl6cp31.fsf@jonadab.homeip.net>

Robert Jewell <bob@disclosed.org> writes:

> anyway, the question I really want to ask:  Is there anything
> fundamentally wrong with having potentially hundreds of thousands of
> hardlinks? :)

Just the obvious:  your filesystem will have multiple entries pointing
to the same information on the disk.  This has some implications for
filemanagement and stuff.  For example, you shouldn't do naive backups
based on grabbing every file, because you'll get needless multiple
copies of the same file.

Also note that some applications break hard links when they make
changes to a file, because (for safety reasons) they write out the
changed version first, then unlink the original.  Emacs is an example
of such an application.  If you are editing your digital audio files,
you might want to check your software and see what it does in this
regard.

-- 
$;=sub{$/};@;=map{my($a,$b)=($_,$;);$;=sub{$a.$b->()}}
split//,"ten.thgirb\@badanoj$/ --";$\=$ ;-> ();print$/


From dane at olneyfriends.org  Mon Sep 13 16:02:50 2004
From: dane at olneyfriends.org (Dane Miller)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:21 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <1094820526.793.57.camel@opus>
References: <1094741764.789.42.camel@opus>
	<200409092142.41652.don@penguinsoftwareworks.com>
	<1094820526.793.57.camel@opus>
Message-ID: <1095105770.972.33.camel@opus>

Ok, it's down to two choices: IBM xSeries 206 vs. Dell PowerEdge 700. 
I've decided not to purchase RHEL ES, and probably stick with Debian
Sarge barring any hardware incompatibilities.  Configured as follows
both fall in around $1500 with educ pricing:

single P4 2.8ghz, 512mb ram, 80gb SATA RAID 1, 3yr warranty

Any thoughts? Experience with either of these boxes?  I'm a little
concerned about booting on RAID with Debian and don't have any
experience with hardware RAID controllers (ServerRAID 7e/t on the IBM,
Adaptec CERC 6-ch SATA on the Dell)... but I know I'll learn a lot in
the process!

cheers,
Dane



Dane Miller wrote:
> Thanks to everyone so far for great feedback and advice.  Due to recent
> bad experience with a local white-boxer, I'm inclined to buy from a
> major vendor (Dell, HP, IBM, others?).  However, I am a bit ashamed to
> mention my budget for this machine. . . < $2000 with a target of $1000. 
> Our business manager saw the latest Dell advert for $349 servers and
> sets his expectations accordingly.
> 
> That said, for only 30 workstations this budget seems doable.  But where
> does that leave RAID and backup?  Any thoughts on software RAID?  Is it
> supported by commercial Linux vendors?
> 
> Related: how would you configure your hard drives/partitions for a
> fileserver that shares and 80gb /home?
> 
> Dane
> 
> 
> Don Dufresne wrote:
> > I've had years of great experiences with Dell servers with 3Ware IDE RAID 
> > controllers and Slackware or SCSI/Redhat.  HP/Compaq servers equally perform 
> > well, although, I've used Dell for all my client Linux/Windows servers.  
> > You'll need to put some thought into your backup strategy as well.  
> > 
> > The servers we have out there run themselves flawlessly, once setup.    In my 
> > day job I have supported many Windows servers.  It's unnerving how little we 
> > have to do maintenance or support on the Linux servers.  There's one out 
> > there that hasn't been rebooted in 2 years supporting Mac and Windows 
> > clients.  
> > 
> > I'm not a big fan of RedHat, but if you need support SuSe or RedHat are 
> > probably going to be your choices on a vendor sold system combo.  Dell/RedHat 
> > is my only experience and it's been excellent.  My humble 2 cents...
> > 
> > The Mac OSX servers are also a great new choice for the inexperienced.  My son 
> > inherited 2 of them in a school setting and loves them.  If you would have 
> > told me a year ago this would be the case we would have said you were crazy, 
> > but they seem to have a good thing going.  He recently migrated the network 
> > from a MS Exchange 2000/Win 2K server to Communicate Pro/Mac OSX Server and 
> > it is going very well.  This may be another avenue to explore, as the 
> > learning curve will be much less.
> > 
> > On Thursday 09 September 2004 10:56 am, Dane Miller wrote:
> > > olneyfriends.org>
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1


From matterantimatter at gmail.com  Mon Sep 13 21:13:18 2004
From: matterantimatter at gmail.com (matt howard)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:21 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <1095105770.972.33.camel@opus>
References: <1094741764.789.42.camel@opus>
	<200409092142.41652.don@penguinsoftwareworks.com>
	<1094820526.793.57.camel@opus> <1095105770.972.33.camel@opus>
Message-ID: <3c74031504091318133378fe26@mail.gmail.com>

check the SATA support in Debian.  I've had a friend fighting with it
four a couple weeks.  google is your friend.

M


On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:02:50 -0400, Dane Miller <dane@olneyfriends.org> wrote:
> Ok, it's down to two choices: IBM xSeries 206 vs. Dell PowerEdge 700.
> I've decided not to purchase RHEL ES, and probably stick with Debian
> Sarge barring any hardware incompatibilities.  Configured as follows
> both fall in around $1500 with educ pricing:
> 
> single P4 2.8ghz, 512mb ram, 80gb SATA RAID 1, 3yr warranty
> 
> Any thoughts? Experience with either of these boxes?  I'm a little
> concerned about booting on RAID with Debian and don't have any
> experience with hardware RAID controllers (ServerRAID 7e/t on the IBM,
> Adaptec CERC 6-ch SATA on the Dell)... but I know I'll learn a lot in
> the process!
> 
> cheers,
> Dane
> 
> Dane Miller wrote:
> > Thanks to everyone so far for great feedback and advice.  Due to recent
> > bad experience with a local white-boxer, I'm inclined to buy from a
> > major vendor (Dell, HP, IBM, others?).  However, I am a bit ashamed to
> > mention my budget for this machine. . . < $2000 with a target of $1000.
> > Our business manager saw the latest Dell advert for $349 servers and
> > sets his expectations accordingly.
> >
> > That said, for only 30 workstations this budget seems doable.  But where
> > does that leave RAID and backup?  Any thoughts on software RAID?  Is it
> > supported by commercial Linux vendors?
> >
> > Related: how would you configure your hard drives/partitions for a
> > fileserver that shares and 80gb /home?
> >
> > Dane
> >
> >
> > Don Dufresne wrote:
> > > I've had years of great experiences with Dell servers with 3Ware IDE RAID
> > > controllers and Slackware or SCSI/Redhat.  HP/Compaq servers equally perform
> > > well, although, I've used Dell for all my client Linux/Windows servers.
> > > You'll need to put some thought into your backup strategy as well.
> > >
> > > The servers we have out there run themselves flawlessly, once setup.    In my
> > > day job I have supported many Windows servers.  It's unnerving how little we
> > > have to do maintenance or support on the Linux servers.  There's one out
> > > there that hasn't been rebooted in 2 years supporting Mac and Windows
> > > clients.
> > >
> > > I'm not a big fan of RedHat, but if you need support SuSe or RedHat are
> > > probably going to be your choices on a vendor sold system combo.  Dell/RedHat
> > > is my only experience and it's been excellent.  My humble 2 cents...
> > >
> > > The Mac OSX servers are also a great new choice for the inexperienced.  My son
> > > inherited 2 of them in a school setting and loves them.  If you would have
> > > told me a year ago this would be the case we would have said you were crazy,
> > > but they seem to have a good thing going.  He recently migrated the network
> > > from a MS Exchange 2000/Win 2K server to Communicate Pro/Mac OSX Server and
> > > it is going very well.  This may be another avenue to explore, as the
> > > learning curve will be much less.
> > >
> > > On Thursday 09 September 2004 10:56 am, Dane Miller wrote:
> > > > olneyfriends.org>
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________________
> > _______________________________________________
> > colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> > http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 



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From dollzerr at iwaynet.net  Mon Sep 13 23:08:18 2004
From: dollzerr at iwaynet.net (Jess Balint)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:21 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <1095105770.972.33.camel@opus>
References: <1094741764.789.42.camel@opus>	<200409092142.41652.don@penguinsoftwareworks.com>	<1094820526.793.57.camel@opus>
	<1095105770.972.33.camel@opus>
Message-ID: <414660A2.8070504@iwaynet.net>

Why do you want to boot on RAID? I think it would be more reasonable to 
just use a standard IDE disk or something and use RAID for file server 
filesystems or databases or something useful.

~ Jess

Dane Miller wrote:
> Ok, it's down to two choices: IBM xSeries 206 vs. Dell PowerEdge 700. 
> I've decided not to purchase RHEL ES, and probably stick with Debian
> Sarge barring any hardware incompatibilities.  Configured as follows
> both fall in around $1500 with educ pricing:
> 
> single P4 2.8ghz, 512mb ram, 80gb SATA RAID 1, 3yr warranty
> 
> Any thoughts? Experience with either of these boxes?  I'm a little
> concerned about booting on RAID with Debian and don't have any
> experience with hardware RAID controllers (ServerRAID 7e/t on the IBM,
> Adaptec CERC 6-ch SATA on the Dell)... but I know I'll learn a lot in
> the process!
> 
> cheers,
> Dane
> 
> 
> 
> Dane Miller wrote:
> 
>>Thanks to everyone so far for great feedback and advice.  Due to recent
>>bad experience with a local white-boxer, I'm inclined to buy from a
>>major vendor (Dell, HP, IBM, others?).  However, I am a bit ashamed to
>>mention my budget for this machine. . . < $2000 with a target of $1000. 
>>Our business manager saw the latest Dell advert for $349 servers and
>>sets his expectations accordingly.
>>
>>That said, for only 30 workstations this budget seems doable.  But where
>>does that leave RAID and backup?  Any thoughts on software RAID?  Is it
>>supported by commercial Linux vendors?
>>
>>Related: how would you configure your hard drives/partitions for a
>>fileserver that shares and 80gb /home?
>>
>>Dane
>>
>>
>>Don Dufresne wrote:
>>
>>>I've had years of great experiences with Dell servers with 3Ware IDE RAID 
>>>controllers and Slackware or SCSI/Redhat.  HP/Compaq servers equally perform 
>>>well, although, I've used Dell for all my client Linux/Windows servers.  
>>>You'll need to put some thought into your backup strategy as well.  
>>>
>>>The servers we have out there run themselves flawlessly, once setup.    In my 
>>>day job I have supported many Windows servers.  It's unnerving how little we 
>>>have to do maintenance or support on the Linux servers.  There's one out 
>>>there that hasn't been rebooted in 2 years supporting Mac and Windows 
>>>clients.  
>>>
>>>I'm not a big fan of RedHat, but if you need support SuSe or RedHat are 
>>>probably going to be your choices on a vendor sold system combo.  Dell/RedHat 
>>>is my only experience and it's been excellent.  My humble 2 cents...
>>>
>>>The Mac OSX servers are also a great new choice for the inexperienced.  My son 
>>>inherited 2 of them in a school setting and loves them.  If you would have 
>>>told me a year ago this would be the case we would have said you were crazy, 
>>>but they seem to have a good thing going.  He recently migrated the network 
>>>from a MS Exchange 2000/Win 2K server to Communicate Pro/Mac OSX Server and 
>>>it is going very well.  This may be another avenue to explore, as the 
>>>learning curve will be much less.
>>>
>>>On Thursday 09 September 2004 10:56 am, Dane Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>>olneyfriends.org>
>>
>>______________________________________________________________________
>>_______________________________________________
>>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 
> 


From ian.m.wilson at gmail.com  Tue Sep 14 00:11:15 2004
From: ian.m.wilson at gmail.com (Ian Wilson)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:21 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <1095105770.972.33.camel@opus>
References: <1094741764.789.42.camel@opus>
	<200409092142.41652.don@penguinsoftwareworks.com>
	<1094820526.793.57.camel@opus> <1095105770.972.33.camel@opus>
Message-ID: <cd554d6204091321114f5229fa@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:02:50 -0400, Dane Miller <dane@olneyfriends.org> wrote:
> 
> Any thoughts? Experience with either of these boxes?  I'm a little
> concerned about booting on RAID with Debian and don't have any
> experience with hardware RAID controllers (ServerRAID 7e/t on the IBM,
> Adaptec CERC 6-ch SATA on the Dell)... but I know I'll learn a lot in
> the process!
> 

I've installed sarge with the adaptec CERC card on my PowerEdge boxen
(2 1300's, 2 2400's, and 2 2500's), and really didn't have any
problems.  The one thing that I'm not really always happy about is
running unstable on all of those machines, but since all they really
do is heat the bedroom in the winter and provide me a 'playground' to
mess with debian and whatever other distro that I'm playing with that
week, it works out well for me.

Ian

From cfuhrman at gmail.com  Tue Sep 14 09:56:18 2004
From: cfuhrman at gmail.com (Chris Fuhrman)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:21 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <414660A2.8070504@iwaynet.net>
References: <1094741764.789.42.camel@opus>
	<200409092142.41652.don@penguinsoftwareworks.com>
	<1094820526.793.57.camel@opus> <1095105770.972.33.camel@opus>
	<414660A2.8070504@iwaynet.net>
Message-ID: <813f2b4f0409140656fffd62a@mail.gmail.com>

If getting RAID to work under Debian is anything like it was for
Libranet, it's very involved and requires you to dig through a lot of
grub documentation (if you're using grub as your bootloader).  Be sure
to check the GRUB HOWTO.

I've found that root-on-RAID is usually more of a hassle than it's worth.

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:08:18 -0400, Jess Balint <dollzerr@iwaynet.net> wrote:
> Why do you want to boot on RAID? I think it would be more reasonable to
> just use a standard IDE disk or something and use RAID for file server
> filesystems or databases or something useful.
> 
> ~ Jess
> 
> 
> 
> Dane Miller wrote:
> > Ok, it's down to two choices: IBM xSeries 206 vs. Dell PowerEdge 700.
> > I've decided not to purchase RHEL ES, and probably stick with Debian
> > Sarge barring any hardware incompatibilities.  Configured as follows
> > both fall in around $1500 with educ pricing:
> >
> > single P4 2.8ghz, 512mb ram, 80gb SATA RAID 1, 3yr warranty
> >
> > Any thoughts? Experience with either of these boxes?  I'm a little
> > concerned about booting on RAID with Debian and don't have any
> > experience with hardware RAID controllers (ServerRAID 7e/t on the IBM,
> > Adaptec CERC 6-ch SATA on the Dell)... but I know I'll learn a lot in
> > the process!
> >
> > cheers,
> > Dane
> >
> >
> >
> > Dane Miller wrote:
> >
> >>Thanks to everyone so far for great feedback and advice.  Due to recent
> >>bad experience with a local white-boxer, I'm inclined to buy from a
> >>major vendor (Dell, HP, IBM, others?).  However, I am a bit ashamed to
> >>mention my budget for this machine. . . < $2000 with a target of $1000.
> >>Our business manager saw the latest Dell advert for $349 servers and
> >>sets his expectations accordingly.
> >>
> >>That said, for only 30 workstations this budget seems doable.  But where
> >>does that leave RAID and backup?  Any thoughts on software RAID?  Is it
> >>supported by commercial Linux vendors?
> >>
> >>Related: how would you configure your hard drives/partitions for a
> >>fileserver that shares and 80gb /home?
> >>
> >>Dane
> >>
> >>
> >>Don Dufresne wrote:
> >>
> >>>I've had years of great experiences with Dell servers with 3Ware IDE RAID
> >>>controllers and Slackware or SCSI/Redhat.  HP/Compaq servers equally perform
> >>>well, although, I've used Dell for all my client Linux/Windows servers.
> >>>You'll need to put some thought into your backup strategy as well.
> >>>
> >>>The servers we have out there run themselves flawlessly, once setup.    In my
> >>>day job I have supported many Windows servers.  It's unnerving how little we
> >>>have to do maintenance or support on the Linux servers.  There's one out
> >>>there that hasn't been rebooted in 2 years supporting Mac and Windows
> >>>clients.
> >>>
> >>>I'm not a big fan of RedHat, but if you need support SuSe or RedHat are
> >>>probably going to be your choices on a vendor sold system combo.  Dell/RedHat
> >>>is my only experience and it's been excellent.  My humble 2 cents...
> >>>
> >>>The Mac OSX servers are also a great new choice for the inexperienced.  My son
> >>>inherited 2 of them in a school setting and loves them.  If you would have
> >>>told me a year ago this would be the case we would have said you were crazy,
> >>>but they seem to have a good thing going.  He recently migrated the network
> >>>from a MS Exchange 2000/Win 2K server to Communicate Pro/Mac OSX Server and
> >>>it is going very well.  This may be another avenue to explore, as the
> >>>learning curve will be much less.
> >>>
> >>>On Thursday 09 September 2004 10:56 am, Dane Miller wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>olneyfriends.org>
> >>
> >>______________________________________________________________________
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> >>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> > http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 



-- 
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cfuhrman@gmail.com

From linux at ezas.net  Tue Sep 14 13:22:35 2004
From: linux at ezas.net (Linux User)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:21 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <813f2b4f0409140656fffd62a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <414660A2.8070504@iwaynet.net>
	<813f2b4f0409140656fffd62a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040914131934.DC37.LINUX@ezas.net>

---------%<--------------
I've found that root-on-RAID is usually more of a hassle than it's worth.
--------snip------------
That's intersted... I have installed Root on RAID on several IBM and
Compaq RAID Systems with No, Zero, None issues.  

Since SATA is relatively new, you might have some issues to work through.
But generally, if the RAID Controller manages the RAID devices, it
should work pretty well.  



From gate at ilive4code.net  Tue Sep 14 14:05:36 2004
From: gate at ilive4code.net (Greg Sidelinger)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:21 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <813f2b4f0409140656fffd62a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1094741764.789.42.camel@opus> <414660A2.8070504@iwaynet.net>
	<813f2b4f0409140656fffd62a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200409141405.36368.gate@ilive4code.net>

Has anyone tried out the md stuff in the new debian-installer for the 3.1 
release.  I have seen it but then the systems I have installed 3.1 on just 
rsync anything important off to my file server's hardware raid5 section so it 
just has not been woth sparing a drive to test it. They are just desktops and 
nothing of too much great importance.

On Tuesday 14 September 2004 09:56 am, Chris Fuhrman wrote:
> If getting RAID to work under Debian is anything like it was for
> Libranet, it's very involved and requires you to dig through a lot of
> grub documentation (if you're using grub as your bootloader).  Be sure
> to check the GRUB HOWTO.
>
> I've found that root-on-RAID is usually more of a hassle than it's worth.
>
> On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:08:18 -0400, Jess Balint <dollzerr@iwaynet.net> 
wrote:
> > Why do you want to boot on RAID? I think it would be more reasonable to
> > just use a standard IDE disk or something and use RAID for file server
> > filesystems or databases or something useful.
> >
> > ~ Jess
> >
> > Dane Miller wrote:
> > > Ok, it's down to two choices: IBM xSeries 206 vs. Dell PowerEdge 700.
> > > I've decided not to purchase RHEL ES, and probably stick with Debian
> > > Sarge barring any hardware incompatibilities.  Configured as follows
> > > both fall in around $1500 with educ pricing:
> > >
> > > single P4 2.8ghz, 512mb ram, 80gb SATA RAID 1, 3yr warranty
> > >
> > > Any thoughts? Experience with either of these boxes?  I'm a little
> > > concerned about booting on RAID with Debian and don't have any
> > > experience with hardware RAID controllers (ServerRAID 7e/t on the IBM,
> > > Adaptec CERC 6-ch SATA on the Dell)... but I know I'll learn a lot in
> > > the process!
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > Dane
> > >
> > > Dane Miller wrote:
> > >>Thanks to everyone so far for great feedback and advice.  Due to recent
> > >>bad experience with a local white-boxer, I'm inclined to buy from a
> > >>major vendor (Dell, HP, IBM, others?).  However, I am a bit ashamed to
> > >>mention my budget for this machine. . . < $2000 with a target of $1000.
> > >>Our business manager saw the latest Dell advert for $349 servers and
> > >>sets his expectations accordingly.
> > >>
> > >>That said, for only 30 workstations this budget seems doable.  But
> > >> where does that leave RAID and backup?  Any thoughts on software RAID?
> > >>  Is it supported by commercial Linux vendors?
> > >>
> > >>Related: how would you configure your hard drives/partitions for a
> > >>fileserver that shares and 80gb /home?
> > >>
> > >>Dane
> > >>
> > >>Don Dufresne wrote:
> > >>>I've had years of great experiences with Dell servers with 3Ware IDE
> > >>> RAID controllers and Slackware or SCSI/Redhat.  HP/Compaq servers
> > >>> equally perform well, although, I've used Dell for all my client
> > >>> Linux/Windows servers. You'll need to put some thought into your
> > >>> backup strategy as well.
> > >>>
> > >>>The servers we have out there run themselves flawlessly, once setup.  
> > >>>  In my day job I have supported many Windows servers.  It's unnerving
> > >>> how little we have to do maintenance or support on the Linux servers.
> > >>>  There's one out there that hasn't been rebooted in 2 years
> > >>> supporting Mac and Windows clients.
> > >>>
> > >>>I'm not a big fan of RedHat, but if you need support SuSe or RedHat
> > >>> are probably going to be your choices on a vendor sold system combo. 
> > >>> Dell/RedHat is my only experience and it's been excellent.  My humble
> > >>> 2 cents...
> > >>>
> > >>>The Mac OSX servers are also a great new choice for the inexperienced.
> > >>>  My son inherited 2 of them in a school setting and loves them.  If
> > >>> you would have told me a year ago this would be the case we would
> > >>> have said you were crazy, but they seem to have a good thing going. 
> > >>> He recently migrated the network from a MS Exchange 2000/Win 2K
> > >>> server to Communicate Pro/Mac OSX Server and it is going very well. 
> > >>> This may be another avenue to explore, as the learning curve will be
> > >>> much less.
> > >>>
> > >>>On Thursday 09 September 2004 10:56 am, Dane Miller wrote:
> > >>>>olneyfriends.org>
> > >>
> > >>______________________________________________________________________
> > >>_______________________________________________
> > >>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> > >>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> > > http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> > http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1

From robb at bossleyfamily.com  Tue Sep 14 17:28:55 2004
From: robb at bossleyfamily.com (Robb Bossley)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:22 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <200409141405.36368.gate@ilive4code.net>
References: <1094741764.789.42.camel@opus> <414660A2.8070504@iwaynet.net>
	<813f2b4f0409140656fffd62a@mail.gmail.com>
	<200409141405.36368.gate@ilive4code.net>
Message-ID: <20040914212855.1c5953ac@Samuel.bigbobs.org>

I believe the motivation, if I understand correctly, for the RAID box was for redundancy - eg. some way to protect the data.  

If that is the issue, I believe a more reasonable and cost effective way of addressing that particular issue would be to use rsync over ssh to a back-up machine.  Just my 2 cents worth.

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:05:36 -0400
Greg Sidelinger <gate@ilive4code.net> wrote:

> Has anyone tried out the md stuff in the new debian-installer for the 3.1 
> release.  I have seen it but then the systems I have installed 3.1 on just 
> rsync anything important off to my file server's hardware raid5 section so it 
> just has not been woth sparing a drive to test it. They are just desktops and 
> nothing of too much great importance.
> 
> On Tuesday 14 September 2004 09:56 am, Chris Fuhrman wrote:
> > If getting RAID to work under Debian is anything like it was for
> > Libranet, it's very involved and requires you to dig through a lot of
> > grub documentation (if you're using grub as your bootloader).  Be sure
> > to check the GRUB HOWTO.
> >
> > I've found that root-on-RAID is usually more of a hassle than it's worth.
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:08:18 -0400, Jess Balint <dollzerr@iwaynet.net> 
> wrote:
> > > Why do you want to boot on RAID? I think it would be more reasonable to
> > > just use a standard IDE disk or something and use RAID for file server
> > > filesystems or databases or something useful.
> > >
> > > ~ Jess
> > >
> > > Dane Miller wrote:
> > > > Ok, it's down to two choices: IBM xSeries 206 vs. Dell PowerEdge 700.
> > > > I've decided not to purchase RHEL ES, and probably stick with Debian
> > > > Sarge barring any hardware incompatibilities.  Configured as follows
> > > > both fall in around $1500 with educ pricing:
> > > >
> > > > single P4 2.8ghz, 512mb ram, 80gb SATA RAID 1, 3yr warranty
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts? Experience with either of these boxes?  I'm a little
> > > > concerned about booting on RAID with Debian and don't have any
> > > > experience with hardware RAID controllers (ServerRAID 7e/t on the IBM,
> > > > Adaptec CERC 6-ch SATA on the Dell)... but I know I'll learn a lot in
> > > > the process!
> > > >
> > > > cheers,
> > > > Dane
> > > >
> > > > Dane Miller wrote:
> > > >>Thanks to everyone so far for great feedback and advice.  Due to recent
> > > >>bad experience with a local white-boxer, I'm inclined to buy from a
> > > >>major vendor (Dell, HP, IBM, others?).  However, I am a bit ashamed to
> > > >>mention my budget for this machine. . . < $2000 with a target of $1000.
> > > >>Our business manager saw the latest Dell advert for $349 servers and
> > > >>sets his expectations accordingly.
> > > >>
> > > >>That said, for only 30 workstations this budget seems doable.  But
> > > >> where does that leave RAID and backup?  Any thoughts on software RAID?
> > > >>  Is it supported by commercial Linux vendors?
> > > >>
> > > >>Related: how would you configure your hard drives/partitions for a
> > > >>fileserver that shares and 80gb /home?
> > > >>
> > > >>Dane
> > > >>
> > > >>Don Dufresne wrote:
> > > >>>I've had years of great experiences with Dell servers with 3Ware IDE
> > > >>> RAID controllers and Slackware or SCSI/Redhat.  HP/Compaq servers
> > > >>> equally perform well, although, I've used Dell for all my client
> > > >>> Linux/Windows servers. You'll need to put some thought into your
> > > >>> backup strategy as well.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>The servers we have out there run themselves flawlessly, once setup.  
> > > >>>  In my day job I have supported many Windows servers.  It's unnerving
> > > >>> how little we have to do maintenance or support on the Linux servers.
> > > >>>  There's one out there that hasn't been rebooted in 2 years
> > > >>> supporting Mac and Windows clients.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>I'm not a big fan of RedHat, but if you need support SuSe or RedHat
> > > >>> are probably going to be your choices on a vendor sold system combo. 
> > > >>> Dell/RedHat is my only experience and it's been excellent.  My humble
> > > >>> 2 cents...
> > > >>>
> > > >>>The Mac OSX servers are also a great new choice for the inexperienced.
> > > >>>  My son inherited 2 of them in a school setting and loves them.  If
> > > >>> you would have told me a year ago this would be the case we would
> > > >>> have said you were crazy, but they seem to have a good thing going. 
> > > >>> He recently migrated the network from a MS Exchange 2000/Win 2K
> > > >>> server to Communicate Pro/Mac OSX Server and it is going very well. 
> > > >>> This may be another avenue to explore, as the learning curve will be
> > > >>> much less.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>On Thursday 09 September 2004 10:56 am, Dane Miller wrote:
> > > >>>>olneyfriends.org>
> > > >>
> > > >>______________________________________________________________________
> > > >>_______________________________________________
> > > >>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> > > >>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> > > > http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> > > http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1

From jim at rossberry.com  Tue Sep 14 22:36:00 2004
From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:22 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <1095105770.972.33.camel@opus>
References: <1094741764.789.42.camel@opus>
	<200409092142.41652.don@penguinsoftwareworks.com>
	<1094820526.793.57.camel@opus> <1095105770.972.33.camel@opus>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409142232500.4767@newross.rossberry.private>

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, Dane Miller wrote:

> Any thoughts? Experience with either of these boxes?  I'm a little
> concerned about booting on RAID with Debian and don't have any
> experience with hardware RAID controllers (ServerRAID 7e/t on the IBM,
> Adaptec CERC 6-ch SATA on the Dell)... but I know I'll learn a lot in
> the process!

Hardware raid makes the individual drives disappear (unless you have
some OS level utility provided by the controller vendor).  Once it's
configured, you will only see /dev/sda (or /dev/cciss/c0d0 on a Compaq
box).  The ServerRAID in the IBM xSeries machines have worked flawlessly 
for me with the RedHat Enterprise stuff.  I would suggest the CentOS
distribution (which I've also used with the IBM boxes).  Most of the
advantages of the RHES/AS series without the costs.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE       jim@rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com
"Our political way of life is by the laws of nature, of nature's God, and
of course presupposes the existence of God, the moral ruler of the
universe, and a rule of right and wrong, of just and unjust, binding upon
man, preceding all institutions of human society and government."
John Quincy Adamns

From chriseverest at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 13:59:45 2004
From: chriseverest at gmail.com (Chris Everest)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:22 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409142232500.4767@newross.rossberry.private>
References: <1094741764.789.42.camel@opus>
	<200409092142.41652.don@penguinsoftwareworks.com>
	<1094820526.793.57.camel@opus> <1095105770.972.33.camel@opus>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0409142232500.4767@newross.rossberry.private>
Message-ID: <864321e2040915105931071264@mail.gmail.com>

I have tried installing SATA RAID (both striped and mirrored) for the
root filesystem, but the Fedora Core installer (anaconda) would not
recognize the hardware raid configuration.  The only way I could do it
was installing multiple SATA disks through a software raid config.  It
turned out that the SATA disks (using just a bunch of disks) were
definitely speedy enough by themselves (rated @ 150Mb/s) to negate any
complex striping or mirroring.  As well, I chose a backup plan for
redundancy.  It's much more manageable to add a hardware RAID
configuration after the initial install.


On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:36:00 -0400 (EDT), Jim Wildman <jim@rossberry.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, Dane Miller wrote:
> 
> > Any thoughts? Experience with either of these boxes?  I'm a little
> > concerned about booting on RAID with Debian and don't have any
> > experience with hardware RAID controllers (ServerRAID 7e/t on the IBM,
> > Adaptec CERC 6-ch SATA on the Dell)... but I know I'll learn a lot in
> > the process!
> 
> Hardware raid makes the individual drives disappear (unless you have
> some OS level utility provided by the controller vendor).  Once it's
> configured, you will only see /dev/sda (or /dev/cciss/c0d0 on a Compaq
> box).  The ServerRAID in the IBM xSeries machines have worked flawlessly
> for me with the RedHat Enterprise stuff.  I would suggest the CentOS
> distribution (which I've also used with the IBM boxes).  Most of the
> advantages of the RHES/AS series without the costs.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE       jim@rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com
> "Our political way of life is by the laws of nature, of nature's God, and
> of course presupposes the existence of God, the moral ruler of the
> universe, and a rule of right and wrong, of just and unjust, binding upon
> man, preceding all institutions of human society and government."
> John Quincy Adamns
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 



-- 
Chris Everest
http://linux-iv.ath.cx/

From tom at functionalmedia.com  Wed Sep 15 14:21:31 2004
From: tom at functionalmedia.com (tom@functionalmedia.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:22 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
In-Reply-To: <813f2b4f0409140656fffd62a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1136EFA3-0744-11D9-A00B-00039317745E@functionalmedia.com>

I found CentOS linux loaded root-on-raid with very little issues. ABout  
twenty seconds to figure out what the routine was. Something like  
create raid partition A, raid partition B => create raid array from A  
and B.

I have yet to thoroughly test the array, it is mirroring so I should  
pull a drive and see if it rebuilds.

But with RH/Centos installer it was a piece of cake.

Tom
On Tuesday, September 14, 2004, at 09:56  AM, Chris Fuhrman wrote:

> If getting RAID to work under Debian is anything like it was for
> Libranet, it's very involved and requires you to dig through a lot of
> grub documentation (if you're using grub as your bootloader).  Be sure
> to check the GRUB HOWTO.
>
> I've found that root-on-RAID is usually more of a hassle than it's  
> worth.
>
> On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:08:18 -0400, Jess Balint <dollzerr@iwaynet.net>  
> wrote:
>> Why do you want to boot on RAID? I think it would be more reasonable  
>> to
>> just use a standard IDE disk or something and use RAID for file server
>> filesystems or databases or something useful.
>>
>> ~ Jess
>>
>>
>>
>> Dane Miller wrote:
>>> Ok, it's down to two choices: IBM xSeries 206 vs. Dell PowerEdge 700.
>>> I've decided not to purchase RHEL ES, and probably stick with Debian
>>> Sarge barring any hardware incompatibilities.  Configured as follows
>>> both fall in around $1500 with educ pricing:
>>>
>>> single P4 2.8ghz, 512mb ram, 80gb SATA RAID 1, 3yr warranty
>>>
>>> Any thoughts? Experience with either of these boxes?  I'm a little
>>> concerned about booting on RAID with Debian and don't have any
>>> experience with hardware RAID controllers (ServerRAID 7e/t on the  
>>> IBM,
>>> Adaptec CERC 6-ch SATA on the Dell)... but I know I'll learn a lot in
>>> the process!
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Dane
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dane Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks to everyone so far for great feedback and advice.  Due to  
>>>> recent
>>>> bad experience with a local white-boxer, I'm inclined to buy from a
>>>> major vendor (Dell, HP, IBM, others?).  However, I am a bit ashamed  
>>>> to
>>>> mention my budget for this machine. . . < $2000 with a target of  
>>>> $1000.
>>>> Our business manager saw the latest Dell advert for $349 servers and
>>>> sets his expectations accordingly.
>>>>
>>>> That said, for only 30 workstations this budget seems doable.  But  
>>>> where
>>>> does that leave RAID and backup?  Any thoughts on software RAID?   
>>>> Is it
>>>> supported by commercial Linux vendors?
>>>>
>>>> Related: how would you configure your hard drives/partitions for a
>>>> fileserver that shares and 80gb /home?
>>>>
>>>> Dane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don Dufresne wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've had years of great experiences with Dell servers with 3Ware  
>>>>> IDE RAID
>>>>> controllers and Slackware or SCSI/Redhat.  HP/Compaq servers  
>>>>> equally perform
>>>>> well, although, I've used Dell for all my client Linux/Windows  
>>>>> servers.
>>>>> You'll need to put some thought into your backup strategy as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> The servers we have out there run themselves flawlessly, once  
>>>>> setup.    In my
>>>>> day job I have supported many Windows servers.  It's unnerving how  
>>>>> little we
>>>>> have to do maintenance or support on the Linux servers.  There's  
>>>>> one out
>>>>> there that hasn't been rebooted in 2 years supporting Mac and  
>>>>> Windows
>>>>> clients.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not a big fan of RedHat, but if you need support SuSe or  
>>>>> RedHat are
>>>>> probably going to be your choices on a vendor sold system combo.   
>>>>> Dell/RedHat
>>>>> is my only experience and it's been excellent.  My humble 2  
>>>>> cents...
>>>>>
>>>>> The Mac OSX servers are also a great new choice for the  
>>>>> inexperienced.  My son
>>>>> inherited 2 of them in a school setting and loves them.  If you  
>>>>> would have
>>>>> told me a year ago this would be the case we would have said you  
>>>>> were crazy,
>>>>> but they seem to have a good thing going.  He recently migrated  
>>>>> the network
>>>>> from a MS Exchange 2000/Win 2K server to Communicate Pro/Mac OSX  
>>>>> Server and
>>>>> it is going very well.  This may be another avenue to explore, as  
>>>>> the
>>>>> learning curve will be much less.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday 09 September 2004 10:56 am, Dane Miller wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> olneyfriends.org>
>>>>
>>>> ____________________________________________________________________ 
>>>> __
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>>>> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>>> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Chris Fuhrman
> cfuhrman@gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
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From rutledge.50 at osu.edu  Wed Sep 15 15:40:41 2004
From: rutledge.50 at osu.edu (Lincoln Rutledge)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:22 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
Message-ID: <1095277241.2635.15.camel@lin651ap.hfsec.rdh.ohio-state.edu>

Wow, this is a long thread :)

I have used hardware and software RAID on almost every server I've set
up.  If it's been a while since you had a catastrophic data loss, it's
easy to forget what it feels like ;)  It's bad.

SCSI is expensive, but as long as you can sell it to the checkbook
people you will be happy.  In a pinch I've used RAID 0 on IDE, the
performance was fine for my application, but on the platform (OpenBSD)
it is a non-trivial setup.  I mean it hurt.  But I enjoyed learning
something new.

If you have good backup procedures you may be able to live without it,
but it sure is nice to pop in a new drive and be up within an hour.  If
you don't test restoring from backup you may be surprised how difficult
it is.  Surprises are bad at times like that.

Another .02 worth to the list,

Linc

Message: 4
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:36:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Wildman <jim@rossberry.com>
Subject: Re: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
To: Central OH Linux User Group <colug1@colug.net>
Message-ID:
        <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409142232500.4767@newross.rossberry.private>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, Dane Miller wrote:

> Any thoughts? Experience with either of these boxes?  I'm a little
> concerned about booting on RAID with Debian and don't have any
> experience with hardware RAID controllers (ServerRAID 7e/t on the IBM,
> Adaptec CERC 6-ch SATA on the Dell)... but I know I'll learn a lot in
> the process!

Hardware raid makes the individual drives disappear (unless you have
some OS level utility provided by the controller vendor).  Once it's
configured, you will only see /dev/sda (or /dev/cciss/c0d0 on a Compaq
box).  The ServerRAID in the IBM xSeries machines have worked flawlessly
for me with the RedHat Enterprise stuff.  I would suggest the CentOS
distribution (which I've also used with the IBM boxes).  Most of the
advantages of the RHES/AS series without the costs.



From archanoid at columbus.rr.com  Wed Sep 15 19:34:18 2004
From: archanoid at columbus.rr.com (archanoid@columbus.rr.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:22 2005
Subject: [COLUG] new server purchase - any advice?
Message-ID: <3e26ec3e8a31.3e8a313e26ec@columbus.rr.com>

tom@functionalmedia.com wrote:
>
> I found CentOS linux loaded root-on-raid with very
> little issues. 

I have a production server running CentOS 3.1 update2 right now.  It used to be a RH 7.x (2 or 3, I don't remember) box using on-board Promise IDE RAID, which I must say is "teh suxor."

I got sick of this crappy configuration and put four 160GB IDE drives in it and a 3Ware IDE RAID card.

I know we were covering SATA, and I have nothing to contribute on that.  But I can tell you this much: 

1) CentOS 3.1 is nice 
2) 3Ware is a beautiful thing
2) They go together like bees+honey.

My ~480GB RAID-5 array IS NOT the boot device, but I've used 3ware hardware RAID on a boot device with no problems.  I had to have a boot floppy for the stupid Promise controller.

So what I'm saying is, I have had really good results with 3Ware cards in Linux.  I believe they are one of (if not) the best supported manufacturers out there.

Oh, and my 3-Ware RAID survived a crashed drive.  The only thing I'd like to have, but don't, in that box is pluggable IDE.  I had to shut it down, but I swapped out the bad drive, ran the 3Ware BIOS setup and told it to re-build the array.  CentOS never hiccupped once.

-Aaron


From lefevre.10 at osu.edu  Thu Sep 16 10:59:24 2004
From: lefevre.10 at osu.edu (Steve Lefevre)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:22 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Blast from the past
In-Reply-To: <1095277241.2635.15.camel@lin651ap.hfsec.rdh.ohio-state.edu>
References: <1095277241.2635.15.camel@lin651ap.hfsec.rdh.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <4149AA4C.70707@osu.edu>


Hey folks -


I found this list of BBSes in 614, from about 1988 on. Some were around 
a lot longer than I thought, until 1999! Ah, memories.

http://bbslist.textfiles.com/614/


From lefevre.10 at osu.edu  Thu Sep 16 12:25:18 2004
From: lefevre.10 at osu.edu (Steve Lefevre)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:22 2005
Subject: [COLUG] What's spinning the disk?
Message-ID: <4149BE6E.2010001@osu.edu>

Is there a way to tell what processes are causing the disk to spin?  
Sometimes there's a lot of activity when there is apparently nothing 
going on. I understand that it might be flushing cache at times -- it 
there a way to trace that cache data back to the originator?

Steve

From skippy at skippy.net  Thu Sep 16 12:38:32 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:22 2005
Subject: [COLUG] September COLUG Meeting
Message-ID: <36929.216.136.35.122.1095352712.squirrel@216.136.35.122>

Followup-to: colugx at colug.net

MEETING NOTICE
==============
Central Ohio Linux Users Group
Date: Wednesday, September 29, 7PM to 9PM local

Meeting Presentation
====================
Sybase Inc. recently announced the free-as-in-beer release of Sybase ASE
Express Edition for GNU/Linux:
   http://www.sybase.com/linuxpromo

Our own Mike Harrold, a Sybase DBA, will give us the skinny:
* Sybase background
* ASE - What it is, features, etc.
* "Free" ASE - What it is, features included, restrictions, etc.
* Some of the other (Open Source) Sybase tools
* Compare/contrast with Oracle
* Q & A

The upcoming meeting is open to the general public, and all with an
interest in Free Software, Open Source, Apache, MySQL, Perl, PHP, postfix,
Linux, BSD, Unix, Windows, or whatever, are invited.

MEETING SITE:
=============
The September 2004 meeting will be held at:
   OCSEA 390 Worthington Rd.
   Westerville, OH
   43082
   865-4700

...The group has met on the LAST Wednesday or LAST Saturday of a month,
alternating by month to allow more folks to mesh their schedules with
COLUG's. Sites and dates also depend on facility availabity, with
common-sense relocation in the holiday season. The webpage often has a
link to a map to the upcoming meeting site.

See: http://www.colug.net/meetings.php

The website is always authoritative to other discussions, such as might be
seen on the mailing list.
================================================================


From jep200404 at columbus.rr.com  Thu Sep 16 12:53:20 2004
From: jep200404 at columbus.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:22 2005
Subject: [COLUG] What's spinning the disk?
In-Reply-To: <4149BE6E.2010001@osu.edu>
References: <4149BE6E.2010001@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <20040916125320.0da6ac98.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>

Steve Lefevre <lefevre.10@osu.edu> wrote:

> Is there a way to tell what processes are causing the disk to spin?  

Linux on the Laptop 
Ten power tools for the mobile Linux user 
by Jonathan A. Zdziarski

http://www.linux-mag.com/2004-07/toc.html

Either go back in paper archives, or wait a month or so 
for free on-line access.  

I thought that Linux Journal had an article more about what 
you are asking about, but I can't find it.  


From nan.liu at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 16:30:24 2004
From: nan.liu at gmail.com (Nan Liu)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:22 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Broken Echo???
In-Reply-To: <200409161600.i8GG04uZ030497@stones.wcbe.org>
References: <200409161600.i8GG04uZ030497@stones.wcbe.org>
Message-ID: <e0444af604091613304a0a6ce0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi! I'm running SUSE 9.1 with bash, I can't seem to figure out why my
echo is broke.

According to the man pages echo support escape characters such as \n, \t, \t ...

When I run it bash it does not work, execpt for \\

nliu@linux:~/bin> echo \\
\
nliu@linux:~/bin> echo \n
n
nliu@linux:~/bin> echo \t
t
nliu@linux:~/bin> echo \\n
\n
nliu@linux:~/bin> echo \r
r

I've tried puting quotes around the string and other shells with no
luck. Any ideas???

Thanks,

Nan Liu

From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com  Thu Sep 16 16:41:30 2004
From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (Matthew W. Miller)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:22 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Blast from the past
In-Reply-To: <4149AA4C.70707@osu.edu>
References: <1095277241.2635.15.camel@lin651ap.hfsec.rdh.ohio-state.edu>
	<4149AA4C.70707@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <20040916204130.GA20684@columbus.rr.com>

On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 10:59:24AM -0400, Steve Lefevre wrote:
>I found this list of BBSes in 614, from about 1988 on. Some were around 
>a lot longer than I thought, until 1999! Ah, memories.
>http://bbslist.textfiles.com/614/

I kind of recognise a few of these names-- but I didn't find a couple I
remember from back in the day: Phaze (C64) and the Dead Leee*ch Society
(DOS).  Not really a surprise, since textfiles.com is heavily based on
the old Apple II scene.
-- 
Matthew Miller <mwmiller@columbus.rr.com>

From linux at ezas.net  Thu Sep 16 16:42:10 2004
From: linux at ezas.net (Linux User)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:22 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Broken Echo???
In-Reply-To: <e0444af604091613304a0a6ce0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200409161600.i8GG04uZ030497@stones.wcbe.org>
	<e0444af604091613304a0a6ce0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040916164017.C6B8.LINUX@ezas.net>

Hey Nan,

Try it like this:
# echo -e "\r"
# echo -e "\\"
..etc.

Chris




From joe at whipple.cc  Thu Sep 16 16:50:35 2004
From: joe at whipple.cc (Joe Whipple)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:22 2005
Subject: [COLUG] What's spinning the disk?
In-Reply-To: <4149BE6E.2010001@osu.edu>
References: <4149BE6E.2010001@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <4149FC9B.5090606@whipple.cc>

lsof


Steve Lefevre wrote:

> Is there a way to tell what processes are causing the disk to spin?  
> Sometimes there's a lot of activity when there is apparently nothing 
> going on. I understand that it might be flushing cache at times -- it 
> there a way to trace that cache data back to the originator?
>
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1


From jep200404 at columbus.rr.com  Thu Sep 16 16:55:50 2004
From: jep200404 at columbus.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:22 2005
Subject: [COLUG] echo -e
In-Reply-To: <e0444af604091613304a0a6ce0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200409161600.i8GG04uZ030497@stones.wcbe.org>
	<e0444af604091613304a0a6ce0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040916165550.1bd88ece.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>

Nan Liu <nan.liu@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi! I'm running SUSE 9.1 with bash, 
> I can't seem to figure out why my echo is broke[n].

Of course, your echo is not broken.  

> According to the man pages echo support escape characters such as \n, \t, \t 
Check out the section about -e.  

> When I run it bash it does not work, execpt for \\
> 
> nliu@linux:~/bin> echo \\
> \
> nliu@linux:~/bin> echo \n
> n
> nliu@linux:~/bin> echo \t
> t
> nliu@linux:~/bin> echo \\n
> \n
> nliu@linux:~/bin> echo \r

echo -e 'a\\b'
echo -e 'a\nb'
echo -e 'a\tb'
echo -e 'a\\nb'
echo -e 'a\rb'

man echo


From blitz at post891.org  Thu Sep 16 18:08:32 2004
From: blitz at post891.org (Patrick Blitz)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:22 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Broken Echo???
In-Reply-To: <e0444af604091613304a0a6ce0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200409161600.i8GG04uZ030497@stones.wcbe.org>
	<e0444af604091613304a0a6ce0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1095372512.26962.1.camel@amon>

echo -e "\n"

On Thu, 2004-09-16 at 22:30, Nan Liu wrote:
> Hi! I'm running SUSE 9.1 with bash, I can't seem to figure out why my
> echo is broke.
> 
> According to the man pages echo support escape characters such as \n, \t, \t ...
> 
> When I run it bash it does not work, execpt for \\
> 
> nliu@linux:~/bin> echo \\
> \
> nliu@linux:~/bin> echo \n
> n
> nliu@linux:~/bin> echo \t
> t
> nliu@linux:~/bin> echo \\n
> \n
> nliu@linux:~/bin> echo \r
> r
> 
> I've tried puting quotes around the string and other shells with no
> luck. Any ideas???
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Nan Liu
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
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From bill_chris at earthlink.net  Thu Sep 16 18:31:59 2004
From: bill_chris at earthlink.net (Bill Baker)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:22 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Printing with Samba and Win2k
Message-ID: <1095373917.29299.82.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I am trying to get printing under Samba working for my Win2k computer
and am not having much luck.  The printer is attached to my main
computer running Fedora Core 2 and Samba 3.0.6-2.fc2.  I am able to
connect to the printer and install it, and the printer control panel
indicates that the printer is ready and accepting jobs, but when I try
to print a test page nothing ever comes out.  Additionally, the box
saying, "Test page is now being sent to printer..." takes a really long
time to come up.

I thought it might be a corrupt printer driver, so I reinstalled the
driver from the Win2k CD.  The funny thing is that I can print just fine
on that same computer when I boot into SuSE 9.1, and the Win98 computer
on my network also has no problems printing to the printer.  My printer
is an HP DeskJet 812C.  Any ideas on what I can try?


From dmaxwell at columbus.rr.com  Thu Sep 16 20:52:14 2004
From: dmaxwell at columbus.rr.com (Dave Maxwell)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:23 2005
Subject: [COLUG] I have three Gmail invites.
Message-ID: <200409162052.14735.dmaxwell@columbus.rr.com>

First come first serve.......
-- 
Faster, faster, you fool, you fool!
  -- Bill Cosby

From jtesta5 at the-testas.net  Thu Sep 16 21:10:17 2004
From: jtesta5 at the-testas.net (Joe Testa)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:23 2005
Subject: [COLUG] personal suse linux
Message-ID: <414A3979.5000001@the-testas.net>

ok so i'm still running rh9 and would like to move to suse instead, any 
place local to buy it, i've not walked in bestbuy(and am hesitant to buy 
anything there with the state of OH suing them, etc).

no luck at circuit city, so i'm looking to the experts for an outlet.

thanks, joe

-- 
Joe Testa, N8XCT, Red Cross Health and Safety Instructor
Amateur Radio is like CPR. Not everybody knows it, but if there is an emergency, you pray somebody around you does.


From dollzerr at iwaynet.net  Thu Sep 16 21:11:18 2004
From: dollzerr at iwaynet.net (Jess Balint)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:23 2005
Subject: [COLUG] What's spinning the disk?
In-Reply-To: <4149BE6E.2010001@osu.edu>
References: <4149BE6E.2010001@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <414A39B6.4070406@iwaynet.net>

This is an interesting thing. I have used Glance on Sun and HP and you 
can see the IO rate, but I can't think of anything off the head that 
will give this info. iostat can give you a start, but not down to the 
process level.

On an interesting sidenote, windows has netstat option "-o" which will 
show connections per PID, and I have not found any UNIX equivalent way 
to get that info.

lsof will shows who has what open, but not how fast who is reading when.

~j

Steve Lefevre wrote:
> Is there a way to tell what processes are causing the disk to spin?  
> Sometimes there's a lot of activity when there is apparently nothing 
> going on. I understand that it might be flushing cache at times -- it 
> there a way to trace that cache data back to the originator?
> 
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 
> 

From jep200404 at columbus.rr.com  Thu Sep 16 21:36:47 2004
From: jep200404 at columbus.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:23 2005
Subject: [COLUG] personal suse linux
In-Reply-To: <414A3979.5000001@the-testas.net>
References: <414A3979.5000001@the-testas.net>
Message-ID: <20040916213647.7812141d.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>

Joe Testa wrote:

> ... suse ... any place local to buy it[?]

Microcenter


From bryan_savage at byhalia.net  Thu Sep 16 21:37:32 2004
From: bryan_savage at byhalia.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:23 2005
Subject: [COLUG] personal suse linux
In-Reply-To: <414A3979.5000001@the-testas.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c49c56$ee080500$0100a8c0@wxp>

MicroCenter had Suse 9.1 Personal for $29.99 if I recall.

Bryan Savage
Byhalia Communications

-----Original Message-----
From: colug1-bounces@colug.net [mailto:colug1-bounces@colug.net] On
Behalf Of Joe Testa
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:10 PM
To: Central OH Linux User Group
Subject: [COLUG] personal suse linux

ok so i'm still running rh9 and would like to move to suse instead, any 
place local to buy it, i've not walked in bestbuy(and am hesitant to buy

anything there with the state of OH suing them, etc).

no luck at circuit city, so i'm looking to the experts for an outlet.

thanks, joe

-- 
Joe Testa, N8XCT, Red Cross Health and Safety Instructor
Amateur Radio is like CPR. Not everybody knows it, but if there is an
emergency, you pray somebody around you does.

_______________________________________________
colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1


From bill_chris at earthlink.net  Thu Sep 16 21:50:16 2004
From: bill_chris at earthlink.net (Bill Baker)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:23 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Best Buy lawsuit
In-Reply-To: <414A3979.5000001@the-testas.net>
References: <414A3979.5000001@the-testas.net>
Message-ID: <1095385815.29299.88.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2004-09-16 at 21:10, Joe Testa wrote:
> (and am hesitant to buy 
> anything there with the state of OH suing them, etc).

I had no idea that the Attorney General was suing Best Buy.  I had an
experience with Best Buy where they had the wrong CD-ROM drive in the
box and they refused to exchange it.  If I had known I wasn't the only
one, I would have contacted him sooner.


From chriseverest at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 22:23:29 2004
From: chriseverest at gmail.com (Chris Everest)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:23 2005
Subject: [COLUG] personal suse linux
In-Reply-To: <20040916213647.7812141d.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
References: <414A3979.5000001@the-testas.net>
	<20040916213647.7812141d.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <864321e204091619235f9f6e31@mail.gmail.com>

I fully support Microcenter (and computer success if they have what I
need).  I go there at least once  a week to practice non-buying
discipline.

however, why don't you download on the net????


On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:36:47 -0400, Jim <jep200404@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> Joe Testa wrote:
> 
> > ... suse ... any place local to buy it[?]
> 
> Microcenter
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 



-- 
Chris Everest
http://linux-iv.ath.cx/

From gate at ilive4code.net  Thu Sep 16 22:55:09 2004
From: gate at ilive4code.net (Greg Sidelinger)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:23 2005
Subject: [COLUG] personal suse linux
In-Reply-To: <20040916213647.7812141d.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
References: <414A3979.5000001@the-testas.net>
	<20040916213647.7812141d.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200409162255.09359.gate@ilive4code.net>

I have even seen it at borders around town too.

On Thursday 16 September 2004 09:36 pm, Jim wrote:
> Joe Testa wrote:
> > ... suse ... any place local to buy it[?]
>
> Microcenter
>
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1

From jtesta5 at the-testas.net  Thu Sep 16 23:02:18 2004
From: jtesta5 at the-testas.net (Joe Testa)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:23 2005
Subject: [COLUG] personal suse linux
In-Reply-To: <864321e204091619235f9f6e31@mail.gmail.com>
References: <414A3979.5000001@the-testas.net>	<20040916213647.7812141d.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
	<864321e204091619235f9f6e31@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <414A53BA.4000901@the-testas.net>

dialup living in the boonies, not much else to say.  plus they dont 
offer iso, only all of the rpms.

joe

Chris Everest wrote:

>I fully support Microcenter (and computer success if they have what I
>need).  I go there at least once  a week to practice non-buying
>discipline.
>
>however, why don't you download on the net????
>
>
>On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:36:47 -0400, Jim <jep200404@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Joe Testa wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>... suse ... any place local to buy it[?]
>>>      
>>>
>>Microcenter
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Joe Testa, N8XCT, Red Cross Health and Safety Instructor
Amateur Radio is like CPR. Not everybody knows it, but if there is an emergency, you pray somebody around you does.


From john at burroway.net  Fri Sep 17 08:15:57 2004
From: john at burroway.net (John Burroway)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:23 2005
Subject: [COLUG] personal suse linux
In-Reply-To: <414A53BA.4000901@the-testas.net>
References: <414A3979.5000001@the-testas.net>
	<864321e204091619235f9f6e31@mail.gmail.com>
	<414A53BA.4000901@the-testas.net>
Message-ID: <200409170815.58019.john@burroway.net>

On Thursday 16 September 2004 11:02 pm, Joe Testa wrote:
> dialup living in the boonies, not much else to say.  plus they dont
> offer iso, only all of the rpms.

Not anymore. SUSE now offers a single ISO for the personal version.

Check it out here:
http://www.suse.com/us/private/download/suse_linux/index.html


John Burroway
www.burroway.net

From sjs at khadrin.com  Fri Sep 17 09:11:30 2004
From: sjs at khadrin.com (Stephen J. Smith)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:23 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Printing with Samba and Win2k
In-Reply-To: <1095373917.29299.82.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1095373917.29299.82.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1095426689.7296.58.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>

On Thu, 2004-09-16 at 18:31, Bill Baker wrote:
> I thought it might be a corrupt printer driver, so I reinstalled the
> driver from the Win2k CD.  The funny thing is that I can print just fine
> on that same computer when I boot into SuSE 9.1, and the Win98 computer
> on my network also has no problems printing to the printer.  My printer
> is an HP DeskJet 812C.

Let me see if I have this correct.

When your server is running Fedora Core 2
  - Your computer which runs Win98 can print
  - Your computer which runs Win2k can _not_ print

But both the Win98 and Win2k box can print fine if you boot your server
into SuSE.

Is that the situation?  If so that seems weird.

Make sure you have uncommented "application/octet-stream" in
"/etc/cups/mime.*".

-- 
Stephen J. Smith | sjs@khadrin.com | http://khadrin.com/


From blata at extent0006.entomology.ohio-state.edu  Fri Sep 17 09:16:42 2004
From: blata at extent0006.entomology.ohio-state.edu (Wade Pinkston)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:23 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Printing with Samba and Win2k
In-Reply-To: <1095426689.7296.58.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>
References: <1095373917.29299.82.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1095426689.7296.58.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>
Message-ID: <414AE3BA.5040808@bugs.osu.edu>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Doesn't win2k have to be in the same Workgroup to be able to print to a
network printer?

Stephen J. Smith wrote:
| On Thu, 2004-09-16 at 18:31, Bill Baker wrote:
|
|>I thought it might be a corrupt printer driver, so I reinstalled the
|>driver from the Win2k CD.  The funny thing is that I can print just fine
|>on that same computer when I boot into SuSE 9.1, and the Win98 computer
|>on my network also has no problems printing to the printer.  My printer
|>is an HP DeskJet 812C.
|
|
| Let me see if I have this correct.
|
| When your server is running Fedora Core 2
|   - Your computer which runs Win98 can print
|   - Your computer which runs Win2k can _not_ print
|
| But both the Win98 and Win2k box can print fine if you boot your server
| into SuSE.
|
| Is that the situation?  If so that seems weird.
|
| Make sure you have uncommented "application/octet-stream" in
| "/etc/cups/mime.*".
|

- --
Wade Pinkston

Ipsa scientia potestas est

Windows,a
32 bit graphical interface for a
16 bit patch to an
8 bit operating system internally coded for a
4 bit processor written by a
2 bit company that can't stand
1 bit of competition

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From jim at rossberry.com  Fri Sep 17 09:31:18 2004
From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:23 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Programming opportunity
In-Reply-To: <653ba254040907104310034287@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87ba39c504083112273114dc4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200409071049.31942.neverhome@gmx.net>
	<653ba254040907104310034287@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409170926280.30218@newross.rossberry.private>

Got a job that might be of interest.

I've worked with Errick before and he is a straightup guy.  He says this
would be an embedded application utilizing an LCD screen.  

"I need two Linux developers to work in Indianapolis, beginning as soon
as possible.  The project is developing a user interface for a glucose
monitor.  Do you know of some folks who are available and would like to
work on this project?
 
Have them contact me with a resume and hourly salary demands.
  
Thanks,
   
Errick Woosley
2067 Rock Creek Rd.
Batesville, IN 47006
woosleew@aol.com

(812) 934-3949 
(513) 218-7436"


------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE       jim@rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com
"Our political way of life is by the laws of nature, of nature's God, and
of course presupposes the existence of God, the moral ruler of the
universe, and a rule of right and wrong, of just and unjust, binding upon
man, preceding all institutions of human society and government."
John Quincy Adamns

From lefevre.10 at osu.edu  Fri Sep 17 11:50:53 2004
From: lefevre.10 at osu.edu (Steve Lefevre)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:23 2005
Subject: [COLUG] find and replace through multiple files?
Message-ID: <414B07DD.4080607@osu.edu>

Hey folks -

I'm working on a project that's rather large for what I'm used to. I'd 
like to replace a line of code that appears identically throughout 
multiple files with another one. What's the laziest way to do this?

Steve

From judd at jpilot.org  Fri Sep 17 11:52:44 2004
From: judd at jpilot.org (Judd Montgomery)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:23 2005
Subject: [COLUG] 250 Gig Hard Drives
Message-ID: <27566.159.53.110.143.1095436364.squirrel@159.53.110.143>

My hard drive went bad last night and I have not kept up on this latest
size limitation.  Is it the IDE controller, the physical wires on the IDE
cable, or the BIOS that is the problem?  Will a 250 Gig drive work with
Linux and a couple year old MB?  I'm about to go buy one at lunch.

Judd



From lefevre.10 at osu.edu  Fri Sep 17 12:01:07 2004
From: lefevre.10 at osu.edu (Steve Lefevre)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:23 2005
Subject: [COLUG] 250 Gig Hard Drives
In-Reply-To: <27566.159.53.110.143.1095436364.squirrel@159.53.110.143>
References: <27566.159.53.110.143.1095436364.squirrel@159.53.110.143>
Message-ID: <414B0A43.2030308@osu.edu>

I don't know about your Mobo questions, but some of the new drives 
coming out only have a 1 year warranty. That makes me nervous, what with 
all the data packed in there so tightly.

Steve

Judd Montgomery wrote:

>My hard drive went bad last night and I have not kept up on this latest
>size limitation.  Is it the IDE controller, the physical wires on the IDE
>cable, or the BIOS that is the problem?  Will a 250 Gig drive work with
>Linux and a couple year old MB?  I'm about to go buy one at lunch.
>
>Judd
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>
>
>  
>


From brett at bnbstauffer.net  Fri Sep 17 12:01:33 2004
From: brett at bnbstauffer.net (Brett Stauffer)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:23 2005
Subject: [COLUG] find and replace through multiple files?
In-Reply-To: <414B07DD.4080607@osu.edu>
References: <414B07DD.4080607@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <1095436893.414b0a5dad618@bnbstauffer.net>

Quoting Steve Lefevre <lefevre.10@osu.edu>:

> I'm working on a project that's rather large for what I'm used to. I'd
> like to replace a line of code that appears identically throughout
> multiple files with another one. What's the laziest way to do this?

I'd do it with find and perl:

    find -name "*.c" -exec perl -p -i.orig -exec perl 's/old/new/' {} \;

Replace "old" and "new" with the appropriate values.  This will make a copy
of the original file with ".orig" added at the end.


--brett

From frank_rieder at bankone.com  Fri Sep 17 14:07:13 2004
From: frank_rieder at bankone.com (frank_rieder@bankone.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:23 2005
Subject: [COLUG] personal SuSE linux
In-Reply-To: <414A53BA.4000901@the-testas.net>
Message-ID: <OF759A31FC.B4675DE7-ON85256F12.00637CD4-85256F12.006389CF@bankone.com>





http://linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=2

I can mail you a copy of this if you want.  It is in ISO format.


Frank Rieder
Operations Specialist
Banc One Leasing Corporation
Mail code OH1-1085
Phone: 614-213-4591
Fax: 614-213-2083
toll-free 800-879-7184 ext. 34591
Email : Frank Rieder@Bankone.com




|---------+---------------------------->
|         |           Joe Testa        |
|         |           <jtesta5@the-test|
|         |           as.net>          |
|         |           Sent by:         |
|         |           colug1-bounces@co|
|         |           lug.net          |
|         |                            |
|         |                            |
|         |           09/16/2004 11:02 |
|         |           PM               |
|         |           Please respond to|
|         |           Central OH Linux |
|         |           User Group       |
|---------+---------------------------->
  >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
  |                                                                                                                             |
  |       To:       Chris Everest <chriseverest@gmail.com>, Central OH Linux User Group <colug1@colug.net>                      |
  |       cc:       (bcc: Frank Rieder/OH/ONE)                                                                                  |
  |       Subject:  Re: [COLUG] personal suse linux                                                                             |
  >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|




dialup living in the boonies, not much else to say.  plus they dont
offer iso, only all of the rpms.

joe

Chris Everest wrote:

>I fully support Microcenter (and computer success if they have what I
>need).  I go there at least once  a week to practice non-buying
>discipline.
>
>however, why don't you download on the net????
>
>
>On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:36:47 -0400, Jim <jep200404@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Joe Testa wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>... suse ... any place local to buy it[?]
>>>
>>>
>>Microcenter
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

--
Joe Testa, N8XCT, Red Cross Health and Safety Instructor
Amateur Radio is like CPR. Not everybody knows it, but if there is an
emergency, you pray somebody around you does.

_______________________________________________
colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1




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From frank_rieder at bankone.com  Fri Sep 17 15:00:14 2004
From: frank_rieder at bankone.com (frank_rieder@bankone.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:24 2005
Subject: [COLUG] personal SuSE linux
In-Reply-To: <OF759A31FC.B4675DE7-ON85256F12.00637CD4-85256F12.006389CF@bankone.com>
Message-ID: <OFD626F646.6C025566-ON85256F12.00683657-85256F12.0068644C@bankone.com>





I am sorry I read that after I sent it.  SUSE Personal is available in ISO
format for download.  I already have it downloaded at my house and I can
Mail you a copy of it if you would like.


Frank Rieder
Operations Specialist
Banc One Leasing Corporation
Mail code OH1-1085
Phone: 614-213-4591
Fax: 614-213-2083
toll-free 800-879-7184 ext. 34591
Email : Frank Rieder@Bankone.com




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|         |           one.com          |
|         |           Sent by:         |
|         |           colug1-bounces@co|
|         |           lug.net          |
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|         |           Please respond to|
|         |           Central OH Linux |
|         |           User Group       |
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  |                                                                                                                             |
  |       To:       Central OH Linux User Group <colug1@colug.net>                                                              |
  |       cc:       (bcc: Frank Rieder/OH/ONE)                                                                                  |
  |       Subject:  Re: [COLUG] personal SuSE linux                                                                             |
  >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|








http://linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=2

I can mail you a copy of this if you want.  It is in ISO format.


Frank Rieder
Operations Specialist
Banc One Leasing Corporation
Mail code OH1-1085
Phone: 614-213-4591
Fax: 614-213-2083
toll-free 800-879-7184 ext. 34591
Email : Frank Rieder@Bankone.com




|---------+---------------------------->
|         |           Joe Testa        |
|         |           <jtesta5@the-test|
|         |           as.net>          |
|         |           Sent by:         |
|         |           colug1-bounces@co|
|         |           lug.net          |
|         |                            |
|         |                            |
|         |           09/16/2004 11:02 |
|         |           PM               |
|         |           Please respond to|
|         |           Central OH Linux |
|         |           User Group       |
|---------+---------------------------->

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|

  |
|
  |       To:       Chris Everest <chriseverest@gmail.com>, Central OH
Linux User Group <colug1@colug.net>                      |
  |       cc:       (bcc: Frank Rieder/OH/ONE)
|
  |       Subject:  Re: [COLUG] personal suse linux
|

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|





dialup living in the boonies, not much else to say.  plus they dont
offer iso, only all of the rpms.

joe

Chris Everest wrote:

>I fully support Microcenter (and computer success if they have what I
>need).  I go there at least once  a week to practice non-buying
>discipline.
>
>however, why don't you download on the net????
>
>
>On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:36:47 -0400, Jim <jep200404@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Joe Testa wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>... suse ... any place local to buy it[?]
>>>
>>>
>>Microcenter
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

--
Joe Testa, N8XCT, Red Cross Health and Safety Instructor
Amateur Radio is like CPR. Not everybody knows it, but if there is an
emergency, you pray somebody around you does.

_______________________________________________
colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1




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and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the
intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any
reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission
in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in
its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you.

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From skippy at skippy.net  Fri Sep 17 15:28:52 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:24 2005
Subject: [COLUG] gmail invites; computer recycling
Message-ID: <39011.216.136.35.122.1095449332.squirrel@216.136.35.122>

Hi all.

I have six Gmail invites.  First come, first served.  Please email me
off-list.

Also, tomorrow is the SWACO Computer Recycling event:
   http://www.swaco.org/



From pat at linuxcolumbus.com  Fri Sep 17 16:15:43 2004
From: pat at linuxcolumbus.com (Pat Collins)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:24 2005
Subject: [COLUG] gmail invites; computer recycling
In-Reply-To: <39011.216.136.35.122.1095449332.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
References: <39011.216.136.35.122.1095449332.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
Message-ID: <20040917201543.GA26084@linuxcolumbus.com>

On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 03:28:52PM -0400, Scott Merrill wrote:
 
> Also, tomorrow is the SWACO Computer Recycling event:
>    http://www.swaco.org/
> 

Thanks for the reminder.

Pat

From bob at disclosed.org  Fri Sep 17 18:40:42 2004
From: bob at disclosed.org (Robert Jewell)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:24 2005
Subject: [COLUG] 250 Gig Hard Drives
In-Reply-To: <414B0A43.2030308@osu.edu>
References: <27566.159.53.110.143.1095436364.squirrel@159.53.110.143>
	<414B0A43.2030308@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <200409171840.42872.bob@disclosed.org>

On Friday 17 September 2004 12:01, Steve Lefevre wrote:
> I don't know about your Mobo questions, but some of the new drives
> coming out only have a 1 year warranty. That makes me nervous, what with
> all the data packed in there so tightly.
>
> Steve

Seagates tend to have a 5yr warranty.  I love them dearly.

-- 
Robert Jewell

From blata at extent0006.entomology.ohio-state.edu  Fri Sep 17 19:29:05 2004
From: blata at extent0006.entomology.ohio-state.edu (Wade Pinkston)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:24 2005
Subject: [COLUG] 250 Gig Hard Drives
In-Reply-To: <27566.159.53.110.143.1095436364.squirrel@159.53.110.143>
References: <27566.159.53.110.143.1095436364.squirrel@159.53.110.143>
Message-ID: <414B7341.1060002@bugs.osu.edu>

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apparently nobody know. :)

Judd Montgomery wrote this to me on 09/17/2004 11:52 AM:

| My hard drive went bad last night and I have not kept up on this
| latest size limitation.  Is it the IDE controller, the physical
| wires on the IDE cable, or the BIOS that is the problem?  Will a
| 250 Gig drive work with Linux and a couple year old MB?  I'm about
| to go buy one at lunch.
|
| Judd
|
|
| _______________________________________________ colug1 mailing list
| colug1@colug.net http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1


- --
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Ipsa scientia potestas est

Windows,a
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16 bit patch to an
8 bit operating system internally coded for a
4 bit processor written by a
2 bit company that can't stand
1 bit of competition

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From eliddle at ameritech.net  Fri Sep 17 20:59:06 2004
From: eliddle at ameritech.net (Ed Liddle)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:24 2005
Subject: [COLUG] gmail invites; computer recycling
In-Reply-To: <39011.216.136.35.122.1095449332.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
References: <39011.216.136.35.122.1095449332.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
Message-ID: <1095469146.2785.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>


On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 15:28, Scott Merrill wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> I have six Gmail invites.  First come, first served.  Please email me
> off-list.
> 
> Also, tomorrow is the SWACO Computer Recycling event:
>    http://www.swaco.org/
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1

FYI the SWACO Recycling event for tomorrow is supposed to be for
Franklin County Residents. I called Swaco a week or so ago about it and
thats what the person I talked to said. She also said that there is no
limit on the amount of computer stuff you can take there to get
recycled.

Ed Liddle

www.someplaceinohio.homelinux.net


From jep200404 at columbus.rr.com  Fri Sep 17 22:15:58 2004
From: jep200404 at columbus.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:24 2005
Subject: [COLUG] 250 Gig Hard Drives
In-Reply-To: <27566.159.53.110.143.1095436364.squirrel@159.53.110.143>
References: <27566.159.53.110.143.1095436364.squirrel@159.53.110.143>
Message-ID: <20040917221558.173ed2c5.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>

Judd Montgomery wrote:

> ... hard drive ... latest size limitation.  

> Is it the IDE controller, 

No.  

> the physical wires on the IDE cable, 

No.  

> or the BIOS that is the problem?  

Yup.  

The BIOS limitation only affects the early part of booting.  
As soon as the Linux kernel is running (maybe even earlier), 
Linux does its own hardware detection and _ignores_ the BIOS.  
You might have some geometry issues to struggle with between 
the BIOS and what Linux likes.  

> Will a 250 Gig drive work with
> Linux and a couple year old MB?  

Most likely.  I just put a 200GB drive in a crummy three 
year old motherboard and it worked fine.  

> I'm about to go buy one at lunch.

Tasty bits!  

Jim


From 6f at earthlink.net  Fri Sep 17 22:53:46 2004
From: 6f at earthlink.net (Steve)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:24 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Novell Linux Technical Resource Kit
Message-ID: <20040918025346.GA1378@eel.example.net>

I received a copy of the Linux Technical Resource Kit (Evaluation DVD's) in the mail several months back.  Haven't used it and really don't plan to (although I did plan to before).  Free to good home.  Here is the layout:

	DVD 1a:	SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 8
		Nterprise Linux Services 1.0
		Groupwise 6.5.1
		Red Carpet Enterprise Server 2.02
		ConsoleOne
		Linux Resources
	DVD 1b:	SUSE Linux Professional 8.2
		Ximian Desktop 2
	DVC 1c:	SUSE Professional 9.1

Contact off list if interested.

Thanks,
Steve

From judd at jpilot.org  Sat Sep 18 00:53:58 2004
From: judd at jpilot.org (Judd Montgomery)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:24 2005
Subject: [COLUG] 250 Gig Hard Drives
In-Reply-To: <20040917221558.173ed2c5.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
References: <27566.159.53.110.143.1095436364.squirrel@159.53.110.143>
	<20040917221558.173ed2c5.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <414BBF66.3070200@jpilot.org>

Jim wrote:
> 
> Judd Montgomery wrote:
> 
>>Will a 250 Gig drive work with
>>Linux and a couple year old MB?  
> 
> 
> Most likely.  I just put a 200GB drive in a crummy three 
> year old motherboard and it worked fine.  
> 
I ended up buying 2 160GB Maxtor drives at Staples for $80 each.  The 
Bios on my Asus A7M-266 MB sees it as a 160GB drive and everything works 
fine.  I may just have to make a RAID 1 out of these since I have had 
bad luck with drives lately.

Judd

From bill_chris at earthlink.net  Sat Sep 18 08:46:32 2004
From: bill_chris at earthlink.net (Bill Baker)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:24 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Printing with Samba and Win2k
In-Reply-To: <1095426689.7296.58.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>
References: <1095373917.29299.82.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1095426689.7296.58.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>
Message-ID: <1095511592.2780.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 09:11, Stephen J. Smith wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-09-16 at 18:31, Bill Baker wrote:
> > I thought it might be a corrupt printer driver, so I reinstalled the
> > driver from the Win2k CD.  The funny thing is that I can print just fine
> > on that same computer when I boot into SuSE 9.1, and the Win98 computer
> > on my network also has no problems printing to the printer.  My printer
> > is an HP DeskJet 812C.
> 
> Let me see if I have this correct.
> 
> When your server is running Fedora Core 2
>   - Your computer which runs Win98 can print
>   - Your computer which runs Win2k can _not_ print
> 
> But both the Win98 and Win2k box can print fine if you boot your server
> into SuSE.
> 
> Is that the situation?  If so that seems weird.

Not exactly.  The three computers are:

1) Samba server - runs Fedora Core 2
2) Windows 98
3) Dual boot Win2k and SuSE 9.1

It is computer 3 that I have the problem with when I boot into Win2k. 
When I boot it into SuSE 9.1 there is no problem.

> Make sure you have uncommented "application/octet-stream" in
> "/etc/cups/mime.*".


From bill_chris at earthlink.net  Sat Sep 18 08:48:43 2004
From: bill_chris at earthlink.net (Bill Baker)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:24 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Printing with Samba and Win2k
In-Reply-To: <414AE3BA.5040808@bugs.osu.edu>
References: <1095373917.29299.82.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1095426689.7296.58.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>
	<414AE3BA.5040808@bugs.osu.edu>
Message-ID: <1095511722.2780.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 09:16, Wade Pinkston wrote:
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> 
> Doesn't win2k have to be in the same Workgroup to be able to print to a
> network printer?

My Win2k computer is in the same workgroup as the Samba server.


From bryan_savage at byhalia.net  Sat Sep 18 21:47:52 2004
From: bryan_savage at byhalia.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:24 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Linux training in Marysville?
Message-ID: <414CE548.1000309@byhalia.net>

Is there anyone in Colug willing to preach and teach Linux to a few 
newbies in Marysville?  It would probably be a few hours in the evening 
twice a month.  It would be geared towards networking and would broken 
down into several topics.  One could offer to teach one or more topics.

1 General Linux intro
2. Linux servers, remote administration
3. IP networking
4.  DHCP
5. DNS
6. Apache
7. advanced Apache (SSL, .htaccess, etc)
8. Routing  (kernel routing, Zebra/Quagga)
9. Advanced routing (OSPF, etc)
10. bandwidth management
11. ftp server
12. email hosting
13. Radius?
 
Any other relivant Linux networking topic...

Any takers?  Let me know what you'd be willing to teach and what your 
terms are. 
If you just want to join us for the classes (not teaching), let me know 
that, too.  We'd like to open it up to the public but I'll need to find 
a place that will accomodate us all.

Thanks.

Bryan Savage






From robb at bossleyfamily.com  Sat Sep 18 18:29:55 2004
From: robb at bossleyfamily.com (Robb Bossley)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:24 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Linux training in Marysville?
In-Reply-To: <414CE548.1000309@byhalia.net>
References: <414CE548.1000309@byhalia.net>
Message-ID: <20040918222955.1e94ebfb@Samuel.bigbobs.org>

I could only teach up to about number 4.  After that, I would almost want to sit in on the class myself.  But I am willing, if someone wants to learn it.

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:47:52 -0400
Bryan Savage <bryan_savage@byhalia.net> wrote:

> Is there anyone in Colug willing to preach and teach Linux to a few 
> newbies in Marysville?  It would probably be a few hours in the evening 
> twice a month.  It would be geared towards networking and would broken 
> down into several topics.  One could offer to teach one or more topics.
> 
> 1 General Linux intro
> 2. Linux servers, remote administration
> 3. IP networking
> 4.  DHCP
> 5. DNS
> 6. Apache
> 7. advanced Apache (SSL, .htaccess, etc)
> 8. Routing  (kernel routing, Zebra/Quagga)
> 9. Advanced routing (OSPF, etc)
> 10. bandwidth management
> 11. ftp server
> 12. email hosting
> 13. Radius?
>  
> Any other relivant Linux networking topic...
> 
> Any takers?  Let me know what you'd be willing to teach and what your 
> terms are. 
> If you just want to join us for the classes (not teaching), let me know 
> that, too.  We'd like to open it up to the public but I'll need to find 
> a place that will accomodate us all.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Bryan Savage
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1

From bryan_savage at byhalia.net  Sun Sep 19 07:53:22 2004
From: bryan_savage at byhalia.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:24 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Linux training in Marysville?
In-Reply-To: <20040918222955.1e94ebfb@Samuel.bigbobs.org>
References: <414CE548.1000309@byhalia.net>
	<20040918222955.1e94ebfb@Samuel.bigbobs.org>
Message-ID: <414D7332.8060303@byhalia.net>

Thanks, Robb.  Drop me a note off-list and let me know when you'd be 
available. 


Robb Bossley wrote:

>I could only teach up to about number 4.  After that, I would almost want to sit in on the class myself.  But I am willing, if someone wants to learn it.
>
>On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:47:52 -0400
>Bryan Savage <bryan_savage@byhalia.net> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Is there anyone in Colug willing to preach and teach Linux to a few 
>>newbies in Marysville?  It would probably be a few hours in the evening 
>>twice a month.  It would be geared towards networking and would broken 
>>down into several topics.  One could offer to teach one or more topics.
>>
>>1 General Linux intro
>>2. Linux servers, remote administration
>>3. IP networking
>>4.  DHCP
>>5. DNS
>>6. Apache
>>7. advanced Apache (SSL, .htaccess, etc)
>>8. Routing  (kernel routing, Zebra/Quagga)
>>9. Advanced routing (OSPF, etc)
>>10. bandwidth management
>>11. ftp server
>>12. email hosting
>>13. Radius?
>> 
>>Any other relivant Linux networking topic...
>>
>>Any takers?  Let me know what you'd be willing to teach and what your 
>>terms are. 
>>If you just want to join us for the classes (not teaching), let me know 
>>that, too.  We'd like to open it up to the public but I'll need to find 
>>a place that will accomodate us all.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Bryan Savage
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>>    
>>
>_______________________________________________
>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>  
>


From tom.terry at gmail.com  Sun Sep 19 15:50:30 2004
From: tom.terry at gmail.com (Thomas Terry)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:24 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Novell Linux Technical Resource Kit
In-Reply-To: <20040918025346.GA1378@eel.example.net>
References: <20040918025346.GA1378@eel.example.net>
Message-ID: <ddaf217d0409191250177462a9@mail.gmail.com>

I have one as well that I put aside and never used.  I'll give it to
anyone interested as well...contact off of the group...
                                     TT


On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:53:46 -0400, Steve <6f@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I received a copy of the Linux Technical Resource Kit (Evaluation DVD's) in the mail several months back.  Haven't used it and really don't plan to (although I did plan to before).  Free to good home.  Here is the layout:
> 
>        DVD 1a: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 8
>                Nterprise Linux Services 1.0
>                Groupwise 6.5.1
>                Red Carpet Enterprise Server 2.02
>                ConsoleOne
>                Linux Resources
>        DVD 1b: SUSE Linux Professional 8.2
>                Ximian Desktop 2
>        DVC 1c: SUSE Professional 9.1
> 
> Contact off list if interested.
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>

From tom.terry at gmail.com  Sun Sep 19 15:54:59 2004
From: tom.terry at gmail.com (Thomas Terry)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:24 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Reverse modding suggestion
Message-ID: <ddaf217d040919125459282633@mail.gmail.com>

My wife saw this in her GroupWise In box at work and thought of me and
the stack of cases I have in the basement...

http://www.iol.ie/~thedeans/reversemod/index.html

                                TT

From jammcse at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 20 13:13:30 2004
From: jammcse at yahoo.com (Jeremy Mayo)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:24 2005
Subject: [COLUG] WANTED: HP Laserjet 4 plus
Message-ID: <20040920171330.35254.qmail@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>

I am looking to purchase a HP LaserJet 4 plus printer,
If anyone has one they want to sell please reply
privately with price. I am looking for on that the
paper slides in fluch with the front. Thanks.

=====
Jeremy A Mayo, MCSE CCNA iNet+
Network Services Technician 3
Ohio Department of Job and Family Services
 
"Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool,
than to speak and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln.



		
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From jammcse at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 20 13:48:14 2004
From: jammcse at yahoo.com (Jeremy Mayo)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:24 2005
Subject: [COLUG] HP Laserjet 4 plus
In-Reply-To: <20040920134219.08c578c3.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20040920174814.40927.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jim <jep200404@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

> Hi, 
> 
> You wrote: 
> 
> > I am looking to purchase a HP LaserJet 4 plus
> printer,
> > If anyone has one they want to sell please reply
> > privately with price. 
> 
> I have seen them for sale at Computer Success
> occasionally.  
> I did not see any Friday.  I do not have any for
> sale.  
> 
> > I am looking for on that the paper slides in fluch
> with the front. 
> 
> What did you mean to say?  
> 
> Also, which variations of the HP LJ 4+ are you
> thinking of that 
> are desirable and undesirable?  
> 
> Jim
> 
> 


Sorry, I fat fingered that one. I am looking for one
that the paper tray slides in and is flush with the
front. I don't want one that the tray sticks out 6 or
seven inches. Something like the LASERJET 4M PLUS
C2039A would be fine. Here is a link http://www.printertechs.com/printer/refurbished-hp-laserjet-4M-plus.php

=====
Jeremy A Mayo, MCSE CCNA iNet+
Network Services Technician 3
Ohio Department of Job and Family Services
 
"Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool,
than to speak and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln.


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From dshermin at ameritech.net  Mon Sep 20 16:37:35 2004
From: dshermin at ameritech.net (David Sherman)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:24 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Novell Linux Technical Resource Kit
In-Reply-To: <ddaf217d0409191250177462a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20040918025346.GA1378@eel.example.net>
	<ddaf217d0409191250177462a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <grfuk0p59o2v5sjvqfmih0dm678ff3umum@4ax.com>

Is  this still available?

Thanks


On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 15:50:30 -0400, you wrote:

>I have one as well that I put aside and never used.  I'll give it to
>anyone interested as well...contact off of the group...
>                                     TT
>
>
>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:53:46 -0400, Steve <6f@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> I received a copy of the Linux Technical Resource Kit (Evaluation DVD's) in the mail several months back.  Haven't used it and really don't plan to (although I did plan to before).  Free to good home.  Here is the layout:
>> 
>>        DVD 1a: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 8
>>                Nterprise Linux Services 1.0
>>                Groupwise 6.5.1
>>                Red Carpet Enterprise Server 2.02
>>                ConsoleOne
>>                Linux Resources
>>        DVD 1b: SUSE Linux Professional 8.2
>>                Ximian Desktop 2
>>        DVC 1c: SUSE Professional 9.1
>> 
>> Contact off list if interested.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
>> _______________________________________________
>> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>>
>_______________________________________________
>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1



From pat at linuxcolumbus.com  Mon Sep 20 22:09:19 2004
From: pat at linuxcolumbus.com (Pat Collins)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:25 2005
Subject: [COLUG] snort
Message-ID: <20040921020919.GA4958@linuxcolumbus.com>

Any snort experts on the list.

Please respond to me off list.

Pat

From rishi at math.ohio-state.edu  Tue Sep 21 02:03:07 2004
From: rishi at math.ohio-state.edu (Rishikesh)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:25 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Cups problem
Message-ID: <20040921060307.GA12087@math.ohio-state.edu>


	I am running debian sarge. I am having problem with
	cups. cupsd is hogging cpu (I have a 400MHz computer).
	The /var/log/cups/access_log gets about 10 new lines
	per second. gnome-cups-icon also hogs cpu. Sometimes
	the computer becomes unusable. I believe I am not the
	only one or the first one to have this problem. I hope
	someone knows the solution.

Rishi

Few lines from access_log file

localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:49 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 357
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:49 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:49 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:53 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:53 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:53 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 77
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:53 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 72
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:54 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:54 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:54 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 357
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:54 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:54 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 77
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 72
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 357
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:03 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:03 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:03 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 77
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:03 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 72
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:04 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:04 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:04 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 357
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:04 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:04 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:08 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:08 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:08 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 77
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:08 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 72
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:09 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:09 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:09 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 357
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:09 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:09 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:13 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:13 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:13 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 77
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:13 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 72
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:14 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:14 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:14 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 357
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:14 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:14 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:18 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:18 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:18 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 77
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:18 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 72
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:19 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:19 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:19 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 357
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:19 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:19 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 77
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 72
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 118
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 352
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 122
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 356
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 118
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 352
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 124
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 358
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 118
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 352
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 118
localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 352

From meffiem at neo.rr.com  Tue Sep 21 18:58:03 2004
From: meffiem at neo.rr.com (Michael A. Meffie III)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:25 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Ohio LinuxFest 2004: venue update
Message-ID: <20040921185803.214a0de8.meffiem@neo.rr.com>


The Ohio LinuxFest 2004 will be at the Hyatt Regency in Columbus 
on Saturday October 2nd. (Less than 2 weeks)

We have more speakers this year and we are expecting an appearance
by Jon "Maddog" Hall, president of Linux International.

Please register online if you are planning on attending:

   http://www.ohiolinux.org

Mike --



From bnmille at myrealbox.com  Tue Sep 21 20:08:14 2004
From: bnmille at myrealbox.com (Brian Miller)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:25 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Free to good home(s)
Message-ID: <200409212008.14613.bnmille@myrealbox.com>

I'll be bringing the following used equipment to the next COLUG meeting (Sept. 
29):

1.  Sony Trinitron 17sf II Monitor.

2.  Compaq  Model 413 MONOCHROME Monitor (will do 16-grey scale, 13" diagonal 
viewable).

3.  Dell OptiPlex GXM 5166 Computer.  Pentium 166MHz, 128MB RAM (max. 
supported by motherboard), 1GB HD, CDROM (note the BIOS does NOT support 
booting from CD), onboard sound, video (S3 chipset), and NIC (3Com 509).  
PS/2 keyboard and mouse. System will boot without keyboard attached if the OS 
doesn't complain.  Has both ISA and PCI slots.  Has run Windows 95/98. RedHat 
7.0-7.3, FreeBSD 4,9 and 5.3, OpenBSD 3.5.

4.  Two 32MB DIMM chips, 66MHz.  Hyundai item number HYM7V64400.

First come, first served at the meeting.  I'm not taking reservations.


From pat at linuxcolumbus.com  Tue Sep 21 21:46:05 2004
From: pat at linuxcolumbus.com (Pat Collins)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:25 2005
Subject: [COLUG] snort
In-Reply-To: <20040921020919.GA4958@linuxcolumbus.com>
References: <20040921020919.GA4958@linuxcolumbus.com>
Message-ID: <20040922014605.GE6904@linuxcolumbus.com>

On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 10:09:19PM -0400, Pat Collins wrote:
> Any snort experts on the list.
> 
> Please respond to me off list.
> 

No replies.   Figured out what I needed to do (as usual).  Snort is not to
bad, fair documentation.

Pat
 

From gate at ilive4code.net  Tue Sep 21 22:28:41 2004
From: gate at ilive4code.net (Greg Sidelinger)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:25 2005
Subject: [COLUG] snort
In-Reply-To: <20040922014605.GE6904@linuxcolumbus.com>
References: <20040921020919.GA4958@linuxcolumbus.com>
	<20040922014605.GE6904@linuxcolumbus.com>
Message-ID: <200409212228.41510.gate@ilive4code.net>

Perhaps some one would like to give a presentation on ids at a meeting in the 
future. I picked up a book on it a few months ago but have not got beyond 
flipping though it.


On Tuesday 21 September 2004 09:46 pm, Pat Collins wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 10:09:19PM -0400, Pat Collins wrote:
> > Any snort experts on the list.
> >
> > Please respond to me off list.
>
> No replies.   Figured out what I needed to do (as usual).  Snort is not to
> bad, fair documentation.
>
> Pat
>
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1

From tom at functionalmedia.com  Tue Sep 21 23:21:56 2004
From: tom at functionalmedia.com (tom@functionalmedia.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:25 2005
Subject: [COLUG] yum up2date rh9 to centos or fedora ?
Message-ID: <8EC16F0C-0C46-11D9-B459-00039317745E@functionalmedia.com>

I am basically a debian guy but I ordered a self managed server from 
interland about a year or so when the price seemed good. I run my 
webserver there and host a few sites and run mysql and a few other 
services.

Trouble is it is running RH9, the orphaned OS.

I tend to leave this box as is but I recently needed a series of tools 
that led to a series of rpm installs that left me frustrated. I miss my 
apt-get.. I need an OS that is more modern so when I need the packages 
they are available.

I am thinking of using yum to upgrade the box to centos or to fedora..

Any advice on which path to choose. Also is yum as handy as apt-get ? 
Where are the web pages with the details on yum, what other tools will 
make me never have to chace dependencies again ? uptodate ? Apt for RH ?

General advice please because I had to force one package and I do not 
want to destabilize my system.

THanks all...

Tom


From holbert.13 at osu.edu  Wed Sep 22 09:01:08 2004
From: holbert.13 at osu.edu (Rick Holbert)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:25 2005
Subject: [COLUG] yum up2date rh9 to centos or fedora ?
In-Reply-To: <8EC16F0C-0C46-11D9-B459-00039317745E@functionalmedia.com>
References: <8EC16F0C-0C46-11D9-B459-00039317745E@functionalmedia.com>
Message-ID: <200409220901.08535.holbert.13@osu.edu>

Tom,

This article should get you started:

http://www.owlriver.com/tips/centos-31-ex-rhl-9/

Rick

On Tuesday 21 September 2004 23:21, tom@functionalmedia.com wrote:
> I am basically a debian guy but I ordered a self managed server from
> interland about a year or so when the price seemed good. I run my
> webserver there and host a few sites and run mysql and a few other
> services.
>
> Trouble is it is running RH9, the orphaned OS.
>
> I tend to leave this box as is but I recently needed a series of tools
> that led to a series of rpm installs that left me frustrated. I miss my
> apt-get.. I need an OS that is more modern so when I need the packages
> they are available.
>
> I am thinking of using yum to upgrade the box to centos or to fedora..
>
> Any advice on which path to choose. Also is yum as handy as apt-get ?
> Where are the web pages with the details on yum, what other tools will
> make me never have to chace dependencies again ? uptodate ? Apt for RH ?
>
> General advice please because I had to force one package and I do not
> want to destabilize my system.
>
> THanks all...
>
> Tom
>
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1

From frank_rieder at bankone.com  Wed Sep 22 09:13:09 2004
From: frank_rieder at bankone.com (frank_rieder@bankone.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:25 2005
Subject: [COLUG] yum up2date rh9 to centos or fedora ?
In-Reply-To: <200409220901.08535.holbert.13@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <OF57C1A4B2.3DBB68F9-ON85256F17.00487AB7-85256F17.00489D8E@bankone.com>





I used that article.  I updated an old Proliant 5000 from Redhat AS to
Centos.  I have not had a problem with the switch.


Frank Rieder
Operations Specialist
Banc One Leasing Corporation
Mail code OH1-1085
Phone: 614-213-4591
Fax: 614-213-2083
toll-free 800-879-7184 ext. 34591
Email : Frank Rieder@Bankone.com




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Tom,

This article should get you started:

http://www.owlriver.com/tips/centos-31-ex-rhl-9/

Rick

On Tuesday 21 September 2004 23:21, tom@functionalmedia.com wrote:
> I am basically a debian guy but I ordered a self managed server from
> interland about a year or so when the price seemed good. I run my
> webserver there and host a few sites and run mysql and a few other
> services.
>
> Trouble is it is running RH9, the orphaned OS.
>
> I tend to leave this box as is but I recently needed a series of tools
> that led to a series of rpm installs that left me frustrated. I miss my
> apt-get.. I need an OS that is more modern so when I need the packages
> they are available.
>
> I am thinking of using yum to upgrade the box to centos or to fedora..
>
> Any advice on which path to choose. Also is yum as handy as apt-get ?
> Where are the web pages with the details on yum, what other tools will
> make me never have to chace dependencies again ? uptodate ? Apt for RH ?
>
> General advice please because I had to force one package and I do not
> want to destabilize my system.
>
> THanks all...
>
> Tom
>
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
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From josh at bitbuckets.com  Wed Sep 22 10:11:46 2004
From: josh at bitbuckets.com (Joshua Kramer)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:25 2005
Subject: [COLUG] yum up2date rh9 to centos or fedora ?
In-Reply-To: <200409220901.08535.holbert.13@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409221008010.2144-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>


> This article should get you started:
> http://www.owlriver.com/tips/centos-31-ex-rhl-9/

I wonder if I could do the same (or something similar) to move from RedHat 
8 to Mandrake 10.  I'm in a similar situation and I had planned to create 
an autoinstall CD and send it off to the hosting provider so I could 
reboot and have the new OS installed... but it'd be nice to be able to 
update everything in realtime...

--Josh



From skippy at skippy.net  Wed Sep 22 10:47:00 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:25 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Free Color Laser Printer
Message-ID: <42417.216.136.35.122.1095864420.squirrel@216.136.35.122>

I have an Oce 6485 color laser printer, free to whoever wants it!

It's actually a re-branded QMS Magicolor2.  Prints fine from CUPS.  This
printer is probably getting low on all consumables (toner, fuser oil,
etc).  Recently retired from service.  Internal ethernet and hard drive.

No support is provided.


From judd at jpilot.org  Wed Sep 22 11:07:42 2004
From: judd at jpilot.org (Judd Montgomery)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:25 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Free Color Laser Printer
In-Reply-To: <42417.216.136.35.122.1095864420.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
References: <42417.216.136.35.122.1095864420.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
Message-ID: <24077.159.53.206.146.1095865662.squirrel@159.53.206.146>

Scott Merrill said:
> I have an Oce 6485 color laser printer, free to whoever wants it!
>
> It's actually a re-branded QMS Magicolor2.  Prints fine from CUPS.  This
> printer is probably getting low on all consumables (toner, fuser oil,
> etc).  Recently retired from service.  Internal ethernet and hard drive.
>
> No support is provided.
>
I'll take it if no one else has.

Judd



From pat at linuxcolumbus.com  Wed Sep 22 11:23:22 2004
From: pat at linuxcolumbus.com (Pat Collins)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:25 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Free Color Laser Printer
In-Reply-To: <42417.216.136.35.122.1095864420.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
References: <42417.216.136.35.122.1095864420.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
Message-ID: <20040922152322.GF6904@linuxcolumbus.com>

Probably to late, but if no one else has claimed it I will.

Pat

On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 10:47:00AM -0400, Scott Merrill wrote:
> I have an Oce 6485 color laser printer, free to whoever wants it!
> 
> It's actually a re-branded QMS Magicolor2.  Prints fine from CUPS.  This
> printer is probably getting low on all consumables (toner, fuser oil,
> etc).  Recently retired from service.  Internal ethernet and hard drive.
> 
> No support is provided.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 
> 

From skippy at skippy.net  Wed Sep 22 11:54:16 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:25 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Free Color Laser Printer
In-Reply-To: <42417.216.136.35.122.1095864420.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
References: <42417.216.136.35.122.1095864420.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
Message-ID: <4151A028.8020008@skippy.net>

I wrote:
> I have an Oce 6485 color laser printer, free to whoever wants it!
> 
> It's actually a re-branded QMS Magicolor2.  Prints fine from CUPS.  This
> printer is probably getting low on all consumables (toner, fuser oil,
> etc).  Recently retired from service.  Internal ethernet and hard drive.
> 
> No support is provided.

Thanks for all the replies.  As expected, this didn't last long.  It's 
been claimed.

I'll be bringing sundry other freebies to the meeting on the 29th (lots 
of brand new Zip disks, other media, and general "stuff").

From rishi at math.ohio-state.edu  Wed Sep 22 12:42:04 2004
From: rishi at math.ohio-state.edu (Rishikesh)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:25 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Cups problem
In-Reply-To: <20040921060307.GA12087@math.ohio-state.edu>
References: <20040921060307.GA12087@math.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <20040922164204.GA4746@math.ohio-state.edu>

	I figured out the problem. gnome-cups-icon keeps
	track of jobs on all printers. If you have 30
	odd printers in the network, it is pretty busy.

Rishi

* Rishikesh (rishi@math.ohio-state.edu) [040921 02:03]:
> 
> 	I am running debian sarge. I am having problem with
> 	cups. cupsd is hogging cpu (I have a 400MHz computer).
> 	The /var/log/cups/access_log gets about 10 new lines
> 	per second. gnome-cups-icon also hogs cpu. Sometimes
> 	the computer becomes unusable. I believe I am not the
> 	only one or the first one to have this problem. I hope
> 	someone knows the solution.
> 
> Rishi
> 
> Few lines from access_log file
> 
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:49 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 357
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:49 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:49 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:53 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:53 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:53 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 77
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:53 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 72
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:54 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:54 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:54 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 357
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:54 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:54 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 77
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 72
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 357
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:38:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:03 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:03 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:03 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 77
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:03 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 72
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:04 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:04 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:04 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 357
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:04 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:04 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:08 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:08 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:08 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 77
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:08 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 72
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:09 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:09 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:09 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 357
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:09 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:09 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:13 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:13 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:13 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 77
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:13 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 72
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:14 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:14 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:14 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 357
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:14 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:14 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:18 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:18 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:18 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 77
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:18 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 72
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:19 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:19 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:19 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 357
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:19 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:19 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 351
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 137
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 77
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 72
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 118
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 352
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:58 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 122
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 356
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 118
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 352
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 124
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 358
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 118
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 352
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 118
> localhost - - [21/Sep/2004:01:39:59 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 352
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
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From john at burroway.net  Wed Sep 22 13:42:18 2004
From: john at burroway.net (john)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:25 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Gmail invitations
Message-ID: <20040922174218.M95337@burroway.net>


I have Gmail invitations to give away. First 6 people to contact me off list
gets them!

John Burroway
jburroway@gmail.com
www.burroway.net

From gate at ilive4code.net  Wed Sep 22 14:21:13 2004
From: gate at ilive4code.net (Greg Sidelinger)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:25 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Gmail invitations
In-Reply-To: <20040922174218.M95337@burroway.net>
References: <20040922174218.M95337@burroway.net>
Message-ID: <200409221421.13813.gate@ilive4code.net>

I have a few I will give away too. Just contact me off list.

Greg

On Wednesday 22 September 2004 01:42 pm, john wrote:
> I have Gmail invitations to give away. First 6 people to contact me off
> list gets them!
>
> John Burroway
> jburroway@gmail.com
> www.burroway.net
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1

From nordlus at ilive4code.net  Wed Sep 22 15:15:25 2004
From: nordlus at ilive4code.net (Stephen Nordlund)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:25 2005
Subject: [COLUG] gmailfs
In-Reply-To: <200409221421.13813.gate@ilive4code.net>
References: <20040922174218.M95337@burroway.net>
	<200409221421.13813.gate@ilive4code.net>
Message-ID: <61827.155.188.191.3.1095880525.squirrel@155.188.191.3>

Hey I was wondering if anyone has tried GmailFS

http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html.

  I was also wondering what Google thinks about GmailFS?  I tried to find
some sort of ruling from Google about the project but can't find any.


--
Stephen Nordlund, MCP, RHCT
Systems Engineer


Greg Sidelinger said:
> I have a few I will give away too. Just contact me off list.
>
> Greg
>
> On Wednesday 22 September 2004 01:42 pm, john wrote:
>> I have Gmail invitations to give away. First 6 people to contact me off
>> list gets them!
>>
>> John Burroway
>> jburroway@gmail.com
>> www.burroway.net
>> _______________________________________________
>> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>
>



From lefevre.10 at osu.edu  Wed Sep 22 15:51:18 2004
From: lefevre.10 at osu.edu (Steve Lefevre)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:26 2005
Subject: [COLUG] laptop, wireless advice
In-Reply-To: <61827.155.188.191.3.1095880525.squirrel@155.188.191.3>
References: <20040922174218.M95337@burroway.net>
	<200409221421.13813.gate@ilive4code.net>
	<61827.155.188.191.3.1095880525.squirrel@155.188.191.3>
Message-ID: <4151D7B6.7080704@osu.edu>

Hey folks --

I'm looking at getting a cheap laptop from retrobox. My purpose is to 
work on my website development in different places, such as the living 
room or local wi-fi coffee house. All I need this thing to do is run a 
terminal with ssh and mozilla/firefox.

1. What wi-fi technology is recommended? I also have to buy the router.
1. What is the minimum speed processor I can get away with running a USB 
wi-fi card? Do I have to buy two -- one using some secure wi-fi for 
home, one for whatever they have at the coffee house?



From friedman at vonfriedman.com  Wed Sep 22 16:43:56 2004
From: friedman at vonfriedman.com (Frank E. Friedman)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:26 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Free (sort of) SCSI Computer
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040922163649.01bfb680@pop3.mail.wowway.com>

I know this is off topic, so please forgive me, but...

I have a server to give away.  Well, kind of... I want a beer for it.  Here 
are the specs:

Pentium 150
128 Meg RAM
2x 4.3Gig SCSI II hard drives
CD-ROM (not sure how well it works)
SCSI DAT Tape Drive (as in 2GIG backup, with ~20 tapes)


Preferably, I would want a 22oz Killians purchased at the BW3 on 
Hilliard-Rome road (far west side of Columbus), but I am flexible.  First 
come, first server.  Contact me off the list (Friedman@vonfriedman.com)


--------------------
Frank E. Friedman - friedman@vonfriedman.com

It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most 
intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.
? Charles Darwin




From dane at olneyfriends.org  Wed Sep 22 17:31:36 2004
From: dane at olneyfriends.org (Dane Miller)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:26 2005
Subject: [COLUG] what the Dell guy thinks (dual proc && IDE == bad)
Message-ID: <1095888696.1617.59.camel@opus>

I just had a Dell sales person tell me it was a bad idea to purchase a
dual Xeon box with IDE drives: "A dual proc machine with IDE drives kind
of the defeats the purpose....you'll need faster drives."

Is he right?  I don't need dual proc now, but I like the idea of being
able to add the second Xeon when/if this ever becomes an application
server. (This is for a file/print server with 3 80gb ATA-100, RAID 5)

Dane


From linux at ezas.net  Wed Sep 22 18:19:56 2004
From: linux at ezas.net (Linux User)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:26 2005
Subject: [COLUG] what the Dell guy thinks (dual proc && IDE == bad)
In-Reply-To: <1095888696.1617.59.camel@opus>
References: <1095888696.1617.59.camel@opus>
Message-ID: <20040922181016.E336.LINUX@ezas.net>

Dane,

The argument, discussion and debate over IDE vs. SCSI has raged for many
moons.  It will probably continue to do so.

Go here for a good example: http://forums.storagereview.net/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=10817

What do you want, price or performance?  SATA is much cheaper per GB,
SCSI probably preforms a little better if you have the cash and need to
serve lots of users.

Is the Dell guy right?  Probably not -- he's in sales!

Good luck,
Chris


From pat at linuxcolumbus.com  Wed Sep 22 18:24:05 2004
From: pat at linuxcolumbus.com (Pat Collins)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:26 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Free (sort of) SCSI Computer
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040922163649.01bfb680@pop3.mail.wowway.com>
References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040922163649.01bfb680@pop3.mail.wowway.com>
Message-ID: <20040922222405.GI6904@linuxcolumbus.com>

On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 04:43:56PM -0400, Frank E. Friedman wrote:
> I know this is off topic, so please forgive me, but...
> 
> I have a server to give away.  Well, kind of... I want a beer for it.  Here 
> are the specs:
> 
 
> Preferably, I would want a 22oz Killians purchased at the BW3 on 
> Hilliard-Rome road (far west side of Columbus), but I am flexible.  First 
> come, first server.  Contact me off the list (Friedman@vonfriedman.com)
> 

You really take the "free as in beer" thing seriously don't you. :)


Pat

From linux at ezas.net  Wed Sep 22 18:31:00 2004
From: linux at ezas.net (Linux User)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:26 2005
Subject: [COLUG] gmailfs
In-Reply-To: <61827.155.188.191.3.1095880525.squirrel@155.188.191.3>
References: <200409221421.13813.gate@ilive4code.net>
	<61827.155.188.191.3.1095880525.squirrel@155.188.191.3>
Message-ID: <20040922182831.E338.LINUX@ezas.net>

Stephen,

Thanks for your post.  I love the concept of gmailfs.  
I didin't see anything in the Terms of Service that would prevent this
type of use, although I think it goes against the Spirit of the
Agreement.  

Even given that, I'm ready to install gmailfs and try it out.  What a
great way to back a small amout of data.

Chris



From gate at ilive4code.net  Wed Sep 22 19:08:58 2004
From: gate at ilive4code.net (Greg Sidelinger)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:26 2005
Subject: [COLUG] gmailfs
In-Reply-To: <20040922182831.E338.LINUX@ezas.net>
References: <200409221421.13813.gate@ilive4code.net>
	<61827.155.188.191.3.1095880525.squirrel@155.188.191.3>
	<20040922182831.E338.LINUX@ezas.net>
Message-ID: <200409221908.58950.gate@ilive4code.net>

On Wednesday 22 September 2004 06:31 pm, Linux User wrote:
> Stephen,
>
> Thanks for your post.  I love the concept of gmailfs.
> I didin't see anything in the Terms of Service that would prevent this
> type of use, although I think it goes against the Spirit of the
> Agreement.
>
> Even given that, I'm ready to install gmailfs and try it out.  What a
> great way to back a small amout of data.
>
> Chris
>
So has anyone every seen anything like this but for say imap. 


>
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1

From bill_chris at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 22 20:24:51 2004
From: bill_chris at earthlink.net (Bill Baker)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:26 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Gmail invitations
In-Reply-To: <20040922174218.M95337@burroway.net>
References: <20040922174218.M95337@burroway.net>
Message-ID: <1095899090.14191.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

And no matter how many invitations I give away, I still have 6.

On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 13:42, john wrote:
> I have Gmail invitations to give away. First 6 people to contact me off list
> gets them!
> 
> John Burroway
> jburroway@gmail.com
> www.burroway.net
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1


From clharting at rocketmail.com  Wed Sep 22 23:34:14 2004
From: clharting at rocketmail.com (Chris Harting)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:26 2005
Subject: [COLUG] laptop, wireless advice
In-Reply-To: <4151D7B6.7080704@osu.edu>
References: <20040922174218.M95337@burroway.net>	<200409221421.13813.gate@ilive4code.net>	<61827.155.188.191.3.1095880525.squirrel@155.188.191.3>
	<4151D7B6.7080704@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <41524436.9070500@rocketmail.com>

1. If you are going to be working at a coffee shop, look for adapters 
compatible with 802.11b for the laptop.  Your router can be the latest 
and greatest thing that you can afford.  It's probably best to get 
adapters and a router from the same manufacturer.
2. If the laptop has a USB port, it will have the speed to run a USB 
WiFi adapter.
3. You don't need two cards/adapters, one will suffice.  You will need 
two different profiles, one for the more secure home setup and one that 
will work on a public network.

I have to admit, I got tired of switching between profiles, so I started 
using my Linksys PCCard at Cup O Joe and a USB adapter at home, until my 
company changed the firewall that was installed on the laptop and it 
killed my ability to connect to the company network from the coffee shop...

Steve Lefevre wrote:

> Hey folks --
>
> I'm looking at getting a cheap laptop from retrobox. My purpose is to 
> work on my website development in different places, such as the living 
> room or local wi-fi coffee house. All I need this thing to do is run a 
> terminal with ssh and mozilla/firefox.
>
> 1. What wi-fi technology is recommended? I also have to buy the router.
> 1. What is the minimum speed processor I can get away with running a 
> USB wi-fi card? Do I have to buy two -- one using some secure wi-fi 
> for home, one for whatever they have at the coffee house?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>


From robb at bossleyfamily.com  Wed Sep 22 20:13:49 2004
From: robb at bossleyfamily.com (Robb Bossley)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:26 2005
Subject: [COLUG] gmailfs
In-Reply-To: <61827.155.188.191.3.1095880525.squirrel@155.188.191.3>
References: <20040922174218.M95337@burroway.net>
	<200409221421.13813.gate@ilive4code.net>
	<61827.155.188.191.3.1095880525.squirrel@155.188.191.3>
Message-ID: <20040923001349.6ccdd520@Samuel.bigbobs.org>

I tried to get it working, but failed.

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:15:25 -0400 (EDT)
"Stephen Nordlund" <nordlus@ilive4code.net> wrote:

> Hey I was wondering if anyone has tried GmailFS
> 
> http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html.
> 
>   I was also wondering what Google thinks about GmailFS?  I tried to find
> some sort of ruling from Google about the project but can't find any.
> 
> 
> --
> Stephen Nordlund, MCP, RHCT
> Systems Engineer
> 
> 
> Greg Sidelinger said:
> > I have a few I will give away too. Just contact me off list.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > On Wednesday 22 September 2004 01:42 pm, john wrote:
> >> I have Gmail invitations to give away. First 6 people to contact me off
> >> list gets them!
> >>
> >> John Burroway
> >> jburroway@gmail.com
> >> www.burroway.net
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> >> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> > _______________________________________________
> > colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> > http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> >
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1

From linux at ezas.net  Thu Sep 23 00:04:32 2004
From: linux at ezas.net (Linux User)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:26 2005
Subject: [COLUG] laptop, wireless advice
In-Reply-To: <4151D7B6.7080704@osu.edu>
References: <61827.155.188.191.3.1095880525.squirrel@155.188.191.3>
	<4151D7B6.7080704@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <20040923000051.E33A.LINUX@ezas.net>

Chris had some good advice in his post.  

I think all 802.11g devices are 802.11b capatable.  

I would recommend NOT using Linksys for wireless.  I sold mine to buy a
D-Link Super G 108Mbps and like it.  My brother-in-law has a Netgear 108
for several of his systems and swears by it.   I was able to use my
d-link card on his Netgear router while visiting... only saw 54 Mbps,
but had a good connection.

Any current CPU can push a wireless card.

Let us know what you buy and how it works out.

Chris



From tom.terry at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 04:06:22 2004
From: tom.terry at gmail.com (Thomas Terry)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:26 2005
Subject: [COLUG] MacAlly Icestand
Message-ID: <ddaf217d04092301064ad5c821@mail.gmail.com>

To all Mac owners( and everyone else),
 I just bought a new G5 20in iMac yesterday-which is great-but I have
a Macally Icestand for late model Imacs-which is not great.  The new
iMac is too tall to sit safely on the pedestal so it's up for
grabs-$10.00 OBO and it's yours.  It was bought  this past spring and
is in mint condition but there's no box.  It's about $30.00 in stores.
 This is the squat, ovoid, tabletop pedestal that rotates and has a
keyboard and mouse holder-there other little nooks and crannies
too...here's the picture and specs.
 
http://www.macally.com/spec/specialties/accessories/icestand.html

Contact me off of the group please!
                                                          TT

  By the way, the previous G4 iMac is on eBay as well-item number: 5721901052

From klarson at K12GROUP.NET  Thu Sep 23 06:58:46 2004
From: klarson at K12GROUP.NET (Keith Larson)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:26 2005
Subject: [COLUG] laptop, wireless advice
Message-ID: <s152744c.052@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>

I have Linksys and it has never given me any trouble.  My son's computer
is wireless only and we game over the connection and all kinds of stuff.
 I have had other people tell me that they had trouble with Linksys, but
I haven't.
 
Keith

>>> linux@ezas.net 9/23/2004 12:04:32 AM >>>

Chris had some good advice in his post.  

I think all 802.11g devices are 802.11b capatable.  

I would recommend NOT using Linksys for wireless.  I sold mine to buy
a
D-Link Super G 108Mbps and like it.  My brother-in-law has a Netgear
108
for several of his systems and swears by it.   I was able to use my
d-link card on his Netgear router while visiting... only saw 54 Mbps,
but had a good connection.

Any current CPU can push a wireless card.

Let us know what you buy and how it works out.

Chris


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From chriseverest at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 09:30:20 2004
From: chriseverest at gmail.com (Chris Everest)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:26 2005
Subject: [COLUG] laptop, wireless advice
In-Reply-To: <s152744c.052@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
References: <s152744c.052@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
Message-ID: <864321e20409230630397c825d@mail.gmail.com>

I administrate a wireless network with 150+ clients over a 1,000,000
sq ft area.  I have tried many client vendors and Linksys is by far
the most difficult to use with Microsoft.  Linksys has a bad habit of
installing their drivers on a per user basis. However, when you put
Linksys adapters in a linux machine they work wonders (thanks to the
beauty of Open Source Drivers).  My other favorites are SMC and DLink.
 SMC and DLink give me much better results as far as consistent
connections.  The actual bandwidth rates are a bit lower, but they are
always very consistent.  Keep in mind that consistency in wireless has
an inverse effect on bandwidth rates.  The more consistent your
wireless connection, the less your clients/access points have to
retransmit!!!!!


----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Larson <klarson@k12group.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 06:58:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [COLUG] laptop, wireless advice
To: colug1@colug.net


I have Linksys and it has never given me any trouble.  My son's
computer is wireless only and we game over the connection and all
kinds of stuff.  I have had other people tell me that they had trouble
with Linksys, but I haven't.
 
Keith

>>> linux@ezas.net 9/23/2004 12:04:32 AM >>>


-- 
Chris Everest
http://linux-iv.ath.cx/

From josh at bitbuckets.com  Thu Sep 23 10:23:58 2004
From: josh at bitbuckets.com (Joshua Kramer)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:26 2005
Subject: [COLUG] laptop, wireless advice
In-Reply-To: <20040923000051.E33A.LINUX@ezas.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409231003360.5188-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>


I'm not sure if they're still available, but a while back MicroCenter had 
a SMC Barricade Turbo 802.11b for $30.  I had to upgrade the firmware 
because it was handing out duplicate IP addy's in some circumstances, but 
now it works fine.

--Josh




From mccune at math.ohio-state.edu  Thu Sep 23 10:13:32 2004
From: mccune at math.ohio-state.edu (Jeff McCune)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:26 2005
Subject: [COLUG] what the Dell guy thinks (dual proc && IDE == bad)
In-Reply-To: <1095888696.1617.59.camel@opus>
References: <1095888696.1617.59.camel@opus>
Message-ID: <20040923141332.GA817@math.ohio-state.edu>

On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 05:31:36PM -0400, Dane Miller enlightened us:
> I just had a Dell sales person tell me it was a bad idea to purchase a
> dual Xeon box with IDE drives: "A dual proc machine with IDE drives kind
> of the defeats the purpose....you'll need faster drives."
> 
> Is he right?  I don't need dual proc now, but I like the idea of being
> able to add the second Xeon when/if this ever becomes an application
> server. (This is for a file/print server with 3 80gb ATA-100, RAID 5)
> 
> Dane

I can't really fully state that he's right, but I think he's more right than
he is wrong.  If you're not doing any sort of raid setup, then IDE drives
have more shortcomings in terms of performance than SCSI does in my opinion.

All too often, I see people buy ridiculously powerful machines and then put
four IDE devices in a two IDE-channel system.  The machine will spend
considerable resources managing these devices that would otherwise be free
for other things if SCSI were in the picture.

File and Print serving takes little CPU power to handle.  The disk I/O path
is definitely the most critical aspect here, next to your network interface.
I'd take a P3 1Ghz machine with a 64 bit PCI bus and a nice SCSI controller
over a Dual Xeon with on-board IDE and software raid any day of the week.

You mention Raid5, but are you getting a hardware RAID card?  If you are,
then the issue isn't too big.  All hardware IDE raid cards I've seen make
sure to only allow one drive per channel and provide almost perfect
performance scaling in that 3 IDE drives will write around 60MB/Sec while 4
will write at around 80MB/Sec...  That is, until you hit some other bottle
neck, like the PCI bus.

The Dell guy is absolutely right if you plan to buy a Dual Xeon box and then
cram 3 hard disks and a CDROM drive onto the two motherboard IDE channels.
I/O performance in this situation will be absolutely horrible.

Regards,
-- 
Jeff McCune
OSU Department of Mathematics System Support
(614) 292-4962
gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key BAF3211A
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From kinga at ohiodominican.edu  Thu Sep 23 10:35:17 2004
From: kinga at ohiodominican.edu (King, Arron S.)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:26 2005
Subject: [COLUG] laptop, wireless advice
Message-ID: <BE0F19AA75E3C44EB99B843CBB9518954A9FB4@exchange.odc.edu>

Slightly OT:

My home AP just bit the dust and I have been researching what to replace
it with.  The old one was a linksys, and worked great for over 3+ years.


While I was doing my research, I noticed that several different Access
Points claim to do 802.1x!  I've even seen screen shots of RADIUS config
screens on a couple models.  

I'm tempted to give this a try.  Has anyone had any luck with this? 

Thanks!

================================= 
Arron King 
Network & Systems Administrator 
Ohio Dominican University 
kinga@ohiodominican.edu 
V: 614-251-4515 
F: 614-253-3453 



-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Everest [mailto:chriseverest@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:30 AM
To: Central OH Linux User Group
Subject: Re: [COLUG] laptop, wireless advice


I administrate a wireless network with 150+ clients over a 1,000,000 sq
ft area.  I have tried many client vendors and Linksys is by far the
most difficult to use with Microsoft.  Linksys has a bad habit of
installing their drivers on a per user basis. However, when you put
Linksys adapters in a linux machine they work wonders (thanks to the
beauty of Open Source Drivers).  My other favorites are SMC and DLink.
SMC and DLink give me much better results as far as consistent
connections.  The actual bandwidth rates are a bit lower, but they are
always very consistent.  Keep in mind that consistency in wireless has
an inverse effect on bandwidth rates.  The more consistent your wireless
connection, the less your clients/access points have to retransmit!!!!!


----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Larson <klarson@k12group.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 06:58:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [COLUG] laptop, wireless advice
To: colug1@colug.net


I have Linksys and it has never given me any trouble.  My son's computer
is wireless only and we game over the connection and all kinds of stuff.
I have had other people tell me that they had trouble with Linksys, but
I haven't.
 
Keith

>>> linux@ezas.net 9/23/2004 12:04:32 AM >>>


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From skippy at skippy.net  Thu Sep 23 10:53:01 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:27 2005
Subject: [COLUG] laptop, wireless advice
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409231003360.5188-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
References: <20040923000051.E33A.LINUX@ezas.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0409231003360.5188-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
Message-ID: <44124.216.136.35.122.1095951181.squirrel@216.136.35.122>

Joshua Kramer said:
>
> I'm not sure if they're still available, but a while back MicroCenter had
> a SMC Barricade Turbo 802.11b for $30.  I had to upgrade the firmware
> because it was handing out duplicate IP addy's in some circumstances, but
> now it works fine.

As of Tuesday, MicroCenter had several 802.11b routers for $9 (I think)
after mail-in rebate.


From jep200404 at columbus.rr.com  Thu Sep 23 11:09:33 2004
From: jep200404 at columbus.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:27 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Wireless stuff for Linux
In-Reply-To: <BE0F19AA75E3C44EB99B843CBB9518954A9FB4@exchange.odc.edu>
References: <BE0F19AA75E3C44EB99B843CBB9518954A9FB4@exchange.odc.edu>
Message-ID: <20040923110933.76c28c7b.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>

Of course, all wireless access points should play well with Linux 
computers, but some play even nicer.  The Linksys WRT54G in 
particular is well regarded for the ability to replace its code 
with your own version of firmware running Linux.  

   http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=wrt54g&section=projects
   http://www.google.com/search?q=wrt54g+linux

Search for wrt54g at sourceforge.net for projects using the wrt54g.  


From brett at bnbstauffer.net  Thu Sep 23 11:18:59 2004
From: brett at bnbstauffer.net (Brett Stauffer)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:27 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Wireless stuff for Linux
In-Reply-To: <20040923110933.76c28c7b.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
References: <BE0F19AA75E3C44EB99B843CBB9518954A9FB4@exchange.odc.edu>
	<20040923110933.76c28c7b.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1095952739.4152e963b98ef@bnbstauffer.net>

Quoting Jim <jep200404@columbus.rr.com>:

> Of course, all wireless access points should play well with Linux
> computers, but some play even nicer.  The Linksys WRT54G in
> particular is well regarded for the ability to replace its code
> with your own version of firmware running Linux.

I'll second that.  I purchased one recently and am thrilled with it.  I'm
using the Sveasoft firmware.  It's got all kinds of goodies built right in:
local DNS, static DHCP, bandwidth shaping, iptables firewall, ssh server,
and lots more.

I believe it's still $50 AR from Amazon.

--brett

From lefevre.10 at osu.edu  Thu Sep 23 12:04:59 2004
From: lefevre.10 at osu.edu (Steve Lefevre)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:27 2005
Subject: [COLUG] what the Dell guy thinks (dual proc && IDE == bad)
In-Reply-To: <20040923141332.GA817@math.ohio-state.edu>
References: <1095888696.1617.59.camel@opus>
	<20040923141332.GA817@math.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <4152F42B.9080109@osu.edu>


>  
>
>>I just had a Dell sales person tell me it was a bad idea to purchase a
>>dual Xeon box with IDE drives: "A dual proc machine with IDE drives kind
>>of the defeats the purpose....you'll need faster drives."
>>
>>Is he right?  I don't need dual proc now, but I like the idea of being
>>able to add the second Xeon when/if this ever becomes an application
>>server. (This is for a file/print server with 3 80gb ATA-100, RAID 5)
>>
>>Dane
>>    
>>
Well, I don't know how much of a difference it will make, but I think 
your money is better put into faster drives, rather than dual-processor 
capability.

Are you using hardware RAID? How many clients are you serving? What do 
you expect the average daily bandwidth to be like?

From lefevre.10 at osu.edu  Thu Sep 23 12:20:30 2004
From: lefevre.10 at osu.edu (Steve Lefevre)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:27 2005
Subject: [COLUG] laptop, wireless advice
In-Reply-To: <20040923000051.E33A.LINUX@ezas.net>
References: <61827.155.188.191.3.1095880525.squirrel@155.188.191.3>
	<4151D7B6.7080704@osu.edu> <20040923000051.E33A.LINUX@ezas.net>
Message-ID: <4152F7CE.3020202@osu.edu>

Linux User wrote:

>Any current CPU can push a wireless card.
>
>  
>
I'm looking at used, older laptops. For under $200, retrobox has PII 
233s. Would there be any problem there?

Steve

From WKehr at checkfree.com  Thu Sep 23 13:10:14 2004
From: WKehr at checkfree.com (WKehr@checkfree.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:27 2005
Subject: [COLUG] what the Dell guy thinks (dual proc && IDE == bad)
In-Reply-To: <4152F42B.9080109@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <OF4E8AB009.988745EC-ON85256F18.005BEDC5-85256F18.005E51F0@checkfree.com>

>>I just had a Dell sales person tell me it was a bad idea to purchase a
>>dual Xeon box with IDE drives: "A dual proc machine with IDE drives kind
>>of the defeats the purpose....you'll need faster drives."
>>
>>Is he right?  I don't need dual proc now, but I like the idea of being
>>able to add the second Xeon when/if this ever becomes an application
>>server. (This is for a file/print server with 3 80gb ATA-100, RAID 5)
>>
>>Dane
>> 


The idea of a "server" verses some other kind of computer can be a red 
herring.  If I use my desktop computer to allow file access it is a 
"server" but the same computer used to play music is now a "personal 
computer".   So the Dell guy saying doing your categorization for you 
is bogus.  For some games, a dual Xeon box is needed as a server 
because serving that particular game is cpu intensive and there might
be very little disk access.  On the other hand, a well designed file 
server might require a relatively minor cpu, but many disk drives to
reduce contention and lots of memory for caching.   A dual SCSI 
controller setup with lots of drives and plenty of memory and a fast
network card might use very little cpu and keep the dma controller 
going full time.

I have seen striped virtual disks overused as a tool to get faster 
disk speed.  The worst case scenario is where several disks are used 
to create a system with only one virtual disk.  The moment two files 
need to be accessed, all the drives in the set need to do a seek.  The
best scenario is where only a single large file is used (some databases
work this way).

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From chriseverest at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 13:43:45 2004
From: chriseverest at gmail.com (Chris Everest)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:27 2005
Subject: [COLUG] laptop, wireless advice
In-Reply-To: <4152F7CE.3020202@osu.edu>
References: <61827.155.188.191.3.1095880525.squirrel@155.188.191.3>
	<4151D7B6.7080704@osu.edu> <20040923000051.E33A.LINUX@ezas.net>
	<4152F7CE.3020202@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <864321e2040923104319c310e1@mail.gmail.com>

No problemo!  I use an old 266 Pentium II laptop with 128MB RAM for my
Stereo System.  It basically streams my music (wirelessly) from my
file server at home into my main stereo system.  With a little extra
network buffer it works great.  Installing Linux on the old hardware
was a bit tricky, but it worked.


On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:20:30 -0400, Steve Lefevre <lefevre.10@osu.edu> wrote:
> Linux User wrote:
> 
> >Any current CPU can push a wireless card.
> >
> >
> >
> I'm looking at used, older laptops. For under $200, retrobox has PII
> 233s. Would there be any problem there?
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
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> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
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From chriseverest at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 16:06:39 2004
From: chriseverest at gmail.com (Chris Everest)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:27 2005
Subject: [COLUG] BitTorrent Service
Message-ID: <864321e20409231306e39f0e1@mail.gmail.com>

I am just going to throw this one out there....

I am looking for someone to help me set up a BitTorrent Server.  Does
anyone out there in Linux land have expereince with BitTorrent
Servers?  I am setting up a file download site for audio files, but I
wish to use a file sharing technique instead of hosting a straight
download site.  This will not be an illiegal endeavor!!!  I will be
hosting uncopyrighted, independent artists' music.

History: BitTorrent is my file sharing technology of choice, but I
want to set it up as a service or daemon if you will.  I have tested
Bittorrent extensively and I know that it will work for my purposes. 
I know what I am doing as far as the default set up.  Python
experience will help....   However, the way BitTorrent is set up by
default, a python process will launch for each file that I want to
serve.  The problem is that I do not want to launch a python process
for a file unless a web visitor initiates a download.  This is
imperative, because as my list of available downloads grows I do not
want my list of processes to grow (unless the dowload is
requested).....   and on and on and on.

Any help?
-- 
Chris Everest
http://linux-iv.ath.cx/

From linux at ezas.net  Thu Sep 23 18:43:25 2004
From: linux at ezas.net (Linux User)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:27 2005
Subject: [COLUG] what the Dell guy thinks (dual proc && IDE == bad)
In-Reply-To: <OF4E8AB009.988745EC-ON85256F18.005BEDC5-85256F18.005E51F0@checkfree.com>
References: <4152F42B.9080109@osu.edu>
	<OF4E8AB009.988745EC-ON85256F18.005BEDC5-85256F18.005E51F0@checkfree.com>
Message-ID: <20040923181403.E346.LINUX@ezas.net>

Hey, I know an answer here. :)

We did some speed testing using various striped and and RAID systems
while I worked at a local bank.

What we discovered is what IBM recommends for DB2; get as many spindles
as you can involved in every request.  The trick is to figure out how
many bytes of data your hard drive reads at a time and make that the
stripe size for your array.  A good RAID controller will allow you to
set this when you create your logical volumes.  Then spread your volumes
over as many physical drives as you can.  This gives a machine-gun
effect to reads and writes.  This way the  system rarely waits for a
physical read or write.

"The moment two files need to be accessed, all the drives in the set need to do a seek."
If you're getting files larger than the stripe size, this is a good
thing.  Example: My avg. seek time per disk is say 5ms.  

On a non-raid, I seek, 5ms, read a block of data, seek next sector 5ms,
read a block, etc. until I get the full file.  One a Striped RAID system,
I seek all my drives to their read points 5 ms, read drive 1, read drive
2, drive 3, drive 4, drive 5, seek next sector 5 ms.  So I read 5 blocks
of data with 1 seek time.   You get multiple reads (as many as are in
your array minus any parity drives) per seek time.

Of couse, big read and write buffers help.  So does sequetial access to
data, vs random reads.  

IBM has some interesting Redbooks on the subject if you want to see
proof. http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/SG246262.html


From linux at ezas.net  Thu Sep 23 18:43:31 2004
From: linux at ezas.net (Linux User)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:27 2005
Subject: [COLUG] laptop, wireless advice
In-Reply-To: <4152F7CE.3020202@osu.edu>
References: <20040923000051.E33A.LINUX@ezas.net> <4152F7CE.3020202@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <20040923181107.E344.LINUX@ezas.net>

Shouldn't be a problem.  You can check the specs on the wireless adapter
box.   



From rfunk at funknet.net  Thu Sep 23 23:29:51 2004
From: rfunk at funknet.net (Rob Funk)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:27 2005
Subject: [COLUG] BitTorrent Service
In-Reply-To: <864321e20409231306e39f0e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <864321e20409231306e39f0e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200409232329.51104.rfunk@funknet.net>

Chris Everest wrote:
>    However, the way BitTorrent is set up by
> default, a python process will launch for each file that I want to
> serve.  The problem is that I do not want to launch a python process
> for a file unless a web visitor initiates a download.  This is
> imperative, because as my list of available downloads grows I do not
> want my list of processes to grow (unless the dowload is
> requested).....   and on and on and on.

Is btlaunchmany anywhere near what you want?

Why are you so concerned about the number of processes?

If you're going to serve a lot of files, you'll need a lot of memory.  
Counting Python processes will be the least of your worries, since the 
Python program memory will be shared, and Linux can handle thousands of 
processes, but the served files will take up memory.  Set up lots of swap 
space; you might be able to get away with letting the inactive files get 
swapped out.

-- 
==============================|   "A microscope locked in on one point
 Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> |Never sees what kind of room that it's in"
 http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"

From rfunk at funknet.net  Thu Sep 23 23:41:44 2004
From: rfunk at funknet.net (Rob Funk)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:27 2005
Subject: [COLUG] what the Dell guy thinks (dual proc && IDE == bad)
In-Reply-To: <4152F42B.9080109@osu.edu>
References: <1095888696.1617.59.camel@opus>
	<20040923141332.GA817@math.ohio-state.edu>
	<4152F42B.9080109@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <200409232341.44654.rfunk@funknet.net>

> >>I just had a Dell sales person tell me it was a bad idea to purchase a
> >>dual Xeon box with IDE drives: "A dual proc machine with IDE drives
> >> kind of the defeats the purpose....you'll need faster drives."

This logic doesn't make sense to me.... IDE uses a little more CPU than 
SCSI (and probably SATA, but I don't know much about SATA), so it would 
seem to me that adding processor power would be useful in an IDE system.

> >>Is he right?  I don't need dual proc now, but I like the idea of being
> >>able to add the second Xeon when/if this ever becomes an application
> >>server. (This is for a file/print server with 3 80gb ATA-100, RAID 5)

I think adding another CPU is a good thing.  Most of the IDE-based RAID 
solutions I've seen scare me though, since there's often little 
consideration of recovering from controller failure.  (Give me 
hardware/SCSI RAID.)

Steve Lefevre wrote:
> Well, I don't know how much of a difference it will make, but I think
> your money is better put into faster drives, rather than dual-processor
> capability.

I'm not so sure about that.  I think dual-processor capability is cheaper 
than really good drives, and don't forget that the "I" in RAID is for 
"inexpensive".  I'm not sure how SATA has changed things, but hard drive 
manufacturers have long put their best and fastest disks in the expensive 
SCSI lines, while putting their biggest disks in the cheap IDE lines.  So 
moving to good fast disks involves a lot more money for less capacity.  
And remember, part of the purpose of RAID is to speed things up by 
spreading the data across more disks.

-- 
==============================|   "A microscope locked in on one point
 Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> |Never sees what kind of room that it's in"
 http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"

From chriseverest at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 00:02:01 2004
From: chriseverest at gmail.com (Chris Everest)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:27 2005
Subject: [COLUG] BitTorrent Service
In-Reply-To: <200409232329.51104.rfunk@funknet.net>
References: <864321e20409231306e39f0e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<200409232329.51104.rfunk@funknet.net>
Message-ID: <864321e204092321025104672@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, you are right. The file size of the torrent being served is equal
to the amount of memory (or swap) needed.  That is why I want to avoid
btlaunchmany.  I anticipate serving lots (100+ GB).  Of course, I am
planning to get other peers to share, but I need a solid way to
startup...  without needing 30+ GB of memory.  With a 32bit processor
my mem cap is what? ~4GB (including swap)?  I guess I may need to go
to 64 bit.  I want to launch a bittorrent only for a specific
request...



On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:29:51 -0400, Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> wrote:
> Chris Everest wrote:
> >    However, the way BitTorrent is set up by
> > default, a python process will launch for each file that I want to
> > serve.  The problem is that I do not want to launch a python process
> > for a file unless a web visitor initiates a download.  This is
> > imperative, because as my list of available downloads grows I do not
> > want my list of processes to grow (unless the dowload is
> > requested).....   and on and on and on.
> 
> Is btlaunchmany anywhere near what you want?
> 
> Why are you so concerned about the number of processes?
> 
> If you're going to serve a lot of files, you'll need a lot of memory.
> Counting Python processes will be the least of your worries, since the
> Python program memory will be shared, and Linux can handle thousands of
> processes, but the served files will take up memory.  Set up lots of swap
> space; you might be able to get away with letting the inactive files get
> swapped out.
> 
> --
> ==============================|   "A microscope locked in on one point
> Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> |Never sees what kind of room that it's in"
> http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
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From deepblueedit at columbus.rr.com  Fri Sep 24 00:28:36 2004
From: deepblueedit at columbus.rr.com (Sean McHenry)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:27 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Free (sort of) SCSI Computer
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040922163649.01bfb680@pop3.mail.wowway.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4a1ee$f583cb00$6501a8c0@bigedit>

Ah, a local boy.  I live here too.  Off Alton Darby in Lakewood.

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: colug1-bounces@colug.net [mailto:colug1-bounces@colug.net] On
Behalf Of Frank E. Friedman
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:44 PM
To: colug1@colug.net
Subject: [COLUG] Free (sort of) SCSI Computer


I know this is off topic, so please forgive me, but...

I have a server to give away.  Well, kind of... I want a beer for it.
Here 
are the specs:

Pentium 150
128 Meg RAM
2x 4.3Gig SCSI II hard drives
CD-ROM (not sure how well it works)
SCSI DAT Tape Drive (as in 2GIG backup, with ~20 tapes)


Preferably, I would want a 22oz Killians purchased at the BW3 on 
Hilliard-Rome road (far west side of Columbus), but I am flexible.
First 
come, first server.  Contact me off the list (Friedman@vonfriedman.com)


--------------------
Frank E. Friedman - friedman@vonfriedman.com

It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most 
intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.
- Charles Darwin



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From deepblueedit at columbus.rr.com  Fri Sep 24 00:28:36 2004
From: deepblueedit at columbus.rr.com (Sean McHenry)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:27 2005
Subject: [COLUG] laptop, wireless advice - Realated question
In-Reply-To: <864321e20409230630397c825d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000101c4a1ee$f70ab920$6501a8c0@bigedit>

Been a while since I had a good one to throw out there so here goes.
Unfortunatly, it's really a Windows/SuSE issue with wireless PCI card
adapters.

I have an AMD box in one of the mini Shuttle cases I use as my Avid
video editing system.  To share graphics and audio with thwe
workstations, I have a wireless network as well as a few wired machines.
I recently bought a cheap (as in cost) Microsoft wireless PCI card.
Under XP Pro, every time I boot I need to tell the networking that I
want to "Use Windows to configure my wireless connection".  OK.  When I
do, I get about 5 minutes of connection and then it tries to latch onto
another network in my neighborhood.  Here's the odd part, if on boot up,
I tell it to let windows manage the connection, it will connect fine.
If I then immediately uncheck that box telling Windows to manage the
connection, I am good for as long as the machine is on.

Any ideas.  It's a bit of a pain but works and actually is a bit of a
safety feature.  I run Zone Alarm Pro and Norton on all the machines
these days but that isn't related.  I can turn them off and same issues.
No DNS servers, strictly workgroups here.  Again, everything runs fine
once I do that magic dance.

The reason I am bringing it up here is that I am about to purchase a
second wireless PCI card for use in the XP Pro/SuSE 9.0 Pro machine I
use for Graphics, Audio (and games).  I haven't had the time to tear
into the current system and do the swapping around but would like to do
it this weekend.  You would think M$ would have this all figured out and
not be a hassle, since it is their OS and their hardware...right.

Thanks for listening,

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: colug1-bounces@colug.net [mailto:colug1-bounces@colug.net] On
Behalf Of Chris Everest
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:30 AM
To: Central OH Linux User Group
Subject: Re: [COLUG] laptop, wireless advice


I administrate a wireless network with 150+ clients over a 1,000,000 sq
ft area.  I have tried many client vendors and Linksys is by far the
most difficult to use with Microsoft.  Linksys has a bad habit of
installing their drivers on a per user basis. However, when you put
Linksys adapters in a linux machine they work wonders (thanks to the
beauty of Open Source Drivers).  My other favorites are SMC and DLink.
SMC and DLink give me much better results as far as consistent
connections.  The actual bandwidth rates are a bit lower, but they are
always very consistent.  Keep in mind that consistency in wireless has
an inverse effect on bandwidth rates.  The more consistent your wireless
connection, the less your clients/access points have to retransmit!!!!!


----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Larson <klarson@k12group.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 06:58:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [COLUG] laptop, wireless advice
To: colug1@colug.net


I have Linksys and it has never given me any trouble.  My son's computer
is wireless only and we game over the connection and all kinds of stuff.
I have had other people tell me that they had trouble with Linksys, but
I haven't.
 
Keith

>>> linux@ezas.net 9/23/2004 12:04:32 AM >>>


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From rutledge.50 at osu.edu  Fri Sep 24 08:50:23 2004
From: rutledge.50 at osu.edu (Lincoln Rutledge)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:27 2005
Subject: [COLUG] BitTorrent Service
Message-ID: <1096030223.6440.14.camel@lin651ap.hfsec.rdh.ohio-state.edu>

Hi Chris,

I am no bittorrent expert, I have gotten it to a work on a couple of
platforms from the client side.  I don't see how this fits with the
bittorrent design though.

I don't understand how you can take away a torrent until there is a
request...  What if there are other people offering upload on that
torrent?  Will they be disassociated from the torrent server?  Sure,
they can share amongst themselves, but you will lose the advantage of
their upload capabilities.  Unless you want to make people install a
custom client that changes the default behavior, I don't see how this
could work.

I know the client swallows my older machines when running one or two
torrents, so I can imagine that a server might be a resource hog.  And
I'm talking the btdownloadheadless.py client.

Interesting,

Lincoln




Message: 4
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:06:39 -0400
From: Chris Everest <chriseverest@gmail.com>
Subject: [COLUG] BitTorrent Service
To: Central Ohio Linux Users Group <colug1@colug.net>
Message-ID: <864321e20409231306e39f0e1@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

I am just going to throw this one out there....

I am looking for someone to help me set up a BitTorrent Server.  Does
anyone out there in Linux land have expereince with BitTorrent
Servers?  I am setting up a file download site for audio files, but I
wish to use a file sharing technique instead of hosting a straight
download site.  This will not be an illiegal endeavor!!!  I will be
hosting uncopyrighted, independent artists' music.

History: BitTorrent is my file sharing technology of choice, but I
want to set it up as a service or daemon if you will.  I have tested
Bittorrent extensively and I know that it will work for my purposes. 
I know what I am doing as far as the default set up.  Python
experience will help....   However, the way BitTorrent is set up by
default, a python process will launch for each file that I want to
serve.  The problem is that I do not want to launch a python process
for a file unless a web visitor initiates a download.  This is
imperative, because as my list of available downloads grows I do not
want my list of processes to grow (unless the dowload is
requested).....   and on and on and on.

Any help?
-- 
Chris Everest
http://linux-iv.ath.cx/



From josh at bitbuckets.com  Fri Sep 24 09:52:24 2004
From: josh at bitbuckets.com (Joshua Kramer)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:27 2005
Subject: [COLUG] BitTorrent Service
In-Reply-To: <1096030223.6440.14.camel@lin651ap.hfsec.rdh.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409240948120.9275-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>


A related BitTorrent question:

Having just set up Sprint ADSL, last night I configured my firewall for 
BitTorrent.  I started downloading the Project Gutenberg DVD ISO, and I 
noticed two things:

1. At no time did my download speed exceed the upload speed;
2. All other internet access was completely dead - browsing to google 
didn't work, etc.

I kind of understand how BT works; but is the download speed always 
limited by maximum upload speed?  I'm only getting a max of 16KB/sec 
download.

Thanks,
--Josh



From steve_currie at bankone.com  Fri Sep 24 09:19:54 2004
From: steve_currie at bankone.com (steve_currie@bankone.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:28 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Gmail invitations
In-Reply-To: <1095899090.14191.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <OF33E472FE.F06CC3C0-ON85256F19.0049323F-85256F19.00493BFF@bankone.com>





I'd like a gmail invite if any are left.




                                                                                                                                       
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And no matter how many invitations I give away, I still have 6.

On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 13:42, john wrote:
> I have Gmail invitations to give away. First 6 people to contact me off
list
> gets them!
>
> John Burroway
> jburroway@gmail.com
> www.burroway.net
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1

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From archanoid at columbus.rr.com  Fri Sep 24 10:19:49 2004
From: archanoid at columbus.rr.com (archanoid@columbus.rr.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:28 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Linux Web Hosting with Python support
Message-ID: <55a5915593ab.5593ab55a591@columbus.rr.com>

Hello all:

I am setting up a website for my new venture and seek your advice on hosting.

I have RR and could host it here, using dyndns or no-ip to point it to my home...but technically that's against the TOS.

So, I've been looking at some hosting options.  I don't need a dedicated server with craploads of bandwidth, but most free services don't offer much in the way of scripting support.

What I really hope to find is a web hosting option in the < $5/month range with python support.  There appear to be several out there supporting Perl and PHP, but python isn't as popular I guess.

Also, I've checked www.python.org and they list a few options but I'm not so sure about them.  One is a free travisbsd.org service.  Anybody heard of this?

What hosting services could any of you recommend?

-Aaron

P.S. I have 5 gmail invites if anybody wants to e-mail me off-list.

P.P.S. Anybody going to LinuxFest Oct. 2?  If so, anybody want to meet up?


From skippy at skippy.net  Fri Sep 24 10:30:41 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:28 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Re: OhioLinux (was: Linux Web Hosting with Python support)
In-Reply-To: <55a5915593ab.5593ab55a591@columbus.rr.com>
References: <55a5915593ab.5593ab55a591@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <45673.216.136.35.122.1096036241.squirrel@216.136.35.122>

archanoid@columbus.rr.com said:
> P.P.S. Anybody going to LinuxFest Oct. 2?  If so, anybody want to meet up?

I'll be there, meeting a few out-of-towners I know only from IRC.  I'd
love to hook up with COLUGers, too.


From chriseverest at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 10:56:20 2004
From: chriseverest at gmail.com (Chris Everest)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:28 2005
Subject: [COLUG] BitTorrent Service
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409240948120.9275-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
References: <1096030223.6440.14.camel@lin651ap.hfsec.rdh.ohio-state.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0409240948120.9275-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
Message-ID: <864321e204092407567cefbbb2@mail.gmail.com>

Joshua, it sounds like the you may have the following conditions:
     1 - you are maxed out on both your upload and download bandwidth via ADSL?
     2 - you didn't set your max upload speed (on the client), which
would give you more flexibiity in bandwidth?  Set your max upload
speed to be about 5-15KB/sec and you will not be penalized by
BitTorrent's built in leach protection.
     3 - Possibly, the torrent you were downloading has not spread
enough yet which means that you will serve out (upload) as much of the
torrent that you are receiving (downloading).  This is common for
newly released torrents (and means that you are doing a great part in
spreading the torrent).....

Lincoln, I plan to host a tracker as well.  This means that my server
will be able to tell whether or not there is other peer activity on a
specific torrent.  If there is outside activity, then I want to direct
torrent downloads to other peers without lanching a python process on
my server.  In essence I want to be able to start torrents on my
server (if needed) and let the rest of the world keep up the momentum
on existing torents.

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:52:24 -0400 (EDT), Joshua Kramer
<josh@bitbuckets.com> wrote:
> 
> A related BitTorrent question:
> 
> Having just set up Sprint ADSL, last night I configured my firewall for
> BitTorrent.  I started downloading the Project Gutenberg DVD ISO, and I
> noticed two things:
> 
> 1. At no time did my download speed exceed the upload speed;
> 2. All other internet access was completely dead - browsing to google
> didn't work, etc.
> 
> I kind of understand how BT works; but is the download speed always
> limited by maximum upload speed?  I'm only getting a max of 16KB/sec
> download.
> 
> Thanks,
> --Josh
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 



-- 
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http://linux-iv.ath.cx/

From chriseverest at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 10:58:42 2004
From: chriseverest at gmail.com (Chris Everest)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:28 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Linux Web Hosting with Python support
In-Reply-To: <55a5915593ab.5593ab55a591@columbus.rr.com>
References: <55a5915593ab.5593ab55a591@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <864321e2040924075853253623@mail.gmail.com>

You can get RR business class at vraiable bandwidth rates and obtain a
fully qualified domain.


On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:19:49 -0400, archanoid@columbus.rr.com
<archanoid@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> Hello all:
> 
> I am setting up a website for my new venture and seek your advice on hosting.
> 
> I have RR and could host it here, using dyndns or no-ip to point it to my home...but technically that's against the TOS.
> 
> So, I've been looking at some hosting options.  I don't need a dedicated server with craploads of bandwidth, but most free services don't offer much in the way of scripting support.
> 
> What I really hope to find is a web hosting option in the < $5/month range with python support.  There appear to be several out there supporting Perl and PHP, but python isn't as popular I guess.
> 
> Also, I've checked www.python.org and they list a few options but I'm not so sure about them.  One is a free travisbsd.org service.  Anybody heard of this?
> 
> What hosting services could any of you recommend?
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> P.S. I have 5 gmail invites if anybody wants to e-mail me off-list.
> 
> P.P.S. Anybody going to LinuxFest Oct. 2?  If so, anybody want to meet up?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 



-- 
Chris Everest
http://linux-iv.ath.cx/

From brett at bnbstauffer.net  Fri Sep 24 14:18:57 2004
From: brett at bnbstauffer.net (Brett Stauffer)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:28 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Linux Web Hosting with Python support
In-Reply-To: <864321e2040924075853253623@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55a5915593ab.5593ab55a591@columbus.rr.com>
	<864321e2040924075853253623@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1096049936.415465110008c@bnbstauffer.net>

Quoting Chris Everest <chriseverest@gmail.com>:

> You can get RR business class at vraiable bandwidth rates and obtain a
> fully qualified domain.

... and pay nearly double what you pay for a personal account.

I would personally just host it on my home machine if I were you.  RR does
not block port 80 (at least for me), but I'm running on a non-standard port
anyway just to fly low.  That, combined with a paid WebHop ($20/yr) account
from dyndns.org allows you to map a "normal" hostname to site hosted on a
non-standard port.  E.g.: http://example.webhop.net will resolve as
http://yourhost.dyndns.org:8080.  Works great for me.

--brett

From skippy at skippy.net  Fri Sep 24 16:38:01 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:28 2005
Subject: [COLUG] bulk tape erasure
Message-ID: <47928.216.136.35.122.1096058281.squirrel@216.136.35.122>

I've got a box full of old backup tapes we're not going to be needing. 
I'd prefer to give them away, rather than just pitch them, but either way
I need to wipe the data.

Since I don't work near a physics lab magnet, and I no longer have some of
the drives for these tapes, and I lack the time to manually format each
one for which I do have a drive -- what's my best choice for bulk tape
erasure?

Thanks,
Scott


From oshaug at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 18:31:09 2004
From: oshaug at gmail.com (Bob O'Shaughnessy)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:28 2005
Subject: [COLUG] bulk tape erasure
In-Reply-To: <47928.216.136.35.122.1096058281.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
References: <47928.216.136.35.122.1096058281.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
Message-ID: <72fa7c600409241531114defb3@mail.gmail.com>

Find a place that does video production (on tape).  They'll have a big
electromagnetic tape eraser.  The one I worked with at OU was built
into a countertop and had a foot pedal.


On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:38:01 -0400 (EDT), Scott Merrill
<skippy@skippy.net> wrote:
> I've got a box full of old backup tapes we're not going to be needing.
> I'd prefer to give them away, rather than just pitch them, but either way
> I need to wipe the data.
> 
> Since I don't work near a physics lab magnet, and I no longer have some of
> the drives for these tapes, and I lack the time to manually format each
> one for which I do have a drive -- what's my best choice for bulk tape
> erasure?
> 
> Thanks,
> Scott
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 



-- 
Bob O'Shaughnessy
oshaughnessy@mac.com
http://oshaughnessy.typepad.com

From gamerine2000 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Sep 24 18:35:21 2004
From: gamerine2000 at sbcglobal.net (Glenn Amerine)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:28 2005
Subject: [COLUG] bulk tape erasure
References: <47928.216.136.35.122.1096058281.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
Message-ID: <000501c4a286$c770eac0$6401a8c0@computer>

Radio Shack has one pretty cheap that will zap just about any magnetic
media. You just have to watch, you can over-heat them fairly easy.

I've had one since the mid 80's that is still zapping away.

Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Merrill" <skippy@skippy.net>
To: <colug1@colug.net>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 4:38 PM
Subject: [COLUG] bulk tape erasure


> I've got a box full of old backup tapes we're not going to be needing.
> I'd prefer to give them away, rather than just pitch them, but either way
> I need to wipe the data.
>
> Since I don't work near a physics lab magnet, and I no longer have some of
> the drives for these tapes, and I lack the time to manually format each
> one for which I do have a drive -- what's my best choice for bulk tape
> erasure?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott


From meffiem at neo.rr.com  Sat Sep 25 10:00:09 2004
From: meffiem at neo.rr.com (Michael A. Meffie III)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:28 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Ohio LinuxFest 2004: Display Tables
Message-ID: <20040925100009.6d6cb075.meffiem@neo.rr.com>

Hello,

The Ohio LinuxFest 2004 is next Saturday at the Hyatt Regency
in Columbus Ohio. Registration for the free event is still 
open at http://www.ohiolinux.org. 

Since we are holding the event at the Hyatt this year, we will 
have room for several display tables. The LinuxFest team would
like to make these available to anyone that would like to use
them at the event on a first come first serve basis; eg LUGs,
free software projects, or commercial use. We are requesting 
a small donation of $100 for commercial use to help cover the 
misc costs of the event. 

I apologize for the extremely short notice, but let us know if 
you are interested. Please contact team@ohiolinux.org.

Thanks,
Michael Meffie


From jfannin at gmail.com  Sat Sep 25 21:38:22 2004
From: jfannin at gmail.com (Joseph Fannin)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:28 2005
Subject: [COLUG] pppd and RoadRunner dial-up
Message-ID: <b789547b04092518383c2ed7b1@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, everyone.

Has anyone managed to get Linux to work with the dial-up offered with
RoadRunner accounts[1]?  I'm trying to get this to work from my
NAT/firewall box, a 486 running Debian unstable.  No X or pretty
graphical configuration tools, but I don't think they'd help; I
haven't had to deal with dial-up and Linux for a long time, but I
think there's something weird going on.

    [1] http://dialaccess.rr.com/drwelcome.html

I can dial-up fine from my laptop running Windows, which claims the
connection is using MD5 CHAP authentication -- I'm pretty sure this is
standard CHAP.  It doesn't seem to matter how I tweak the Debian ppp
settings (by hand, or with pppconfig or wvdial); Linux won't do it.

Dialing, everything seems to work fine until pppd reports 'Serial
connection established", where it hangs for a few minutes, then gets
hung up on.  It seems not to be starting CHAP negotiation at all; I've
enabled pppd debug logging and still get nothing beyond the
"connection established" message.

So... has anyone managed to make this work?  Is there something I
don't know about RR's dial-up setup, or about how Debian handles CHAP?
 (I've tried following the instructions here, under Setting up PPP: [
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-init-config.en.html ] as
well as those in /usr/share/doc/ppp/README.Debian.gz, among other
things.)

Any help at all is appreciated.  Thanks!

(BTW, I've got 6 gmail invites if anyone wants to contact me off-list;
they're free for the taking, though they're not exactly hard to get
anymore.)

--
Joseph Fannin
jfannin@gmail.com || jhf@rivenstone.net

From robb at bossleyfamily.com  Sat Sep 25 20:26:17 2004
From: robb at bossleyfamily.com (Robb Bossley)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:28 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Recording and transferring sound files
Message-ID: <20040926002617.794c54f6@Samuel.bigbobs.org>

I have a bunch of tapes I would like to transform to MP3 format.  How could I do this?  Is there an easy way to do it?

I also want to record speeches in MP3 format.  What type of hardware could do this?

Finally, what about both of the above using the Ogg Vorbis format?

Thanks.

Robb

From rfunk at funknet.net  Sun Sep 26 00:25:41 2004
From: rfunk at funknet.net (Rob Funk)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:28 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Recording and transferring sound files
In-Reply-To: <20040926002617.794c54f6@Samuel.bigbobs.org>
References: <20040926002617.794c54f6@Samuel.bigbobs.org>
Message-ID: <200409260025.41655.rfunk@funknet.net>

Robb Bossley wrote:
> I have a bunch of tapes I would like to transform to MP3 format.  How
> could I do this?  Is there an easy way to do it?

It's a two step process.  First digitize them into wav format, then encode 
to MP3.  By now there may be programs that consolidate the two steps, but 
last time I did it, I used gramofile to record, and lame to encode.

The hardest part is getting the recording levels right, to get the highest 
record level without clipping.

> Finally, what about both of the above using the Ogg Vorbis format?

Same as MP3, but use oggenc instead of lame to encode.

-- 
==============================|   "A microscope locked in on one point
 Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> |Never sees what kind of room that it's in"
 http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"

From chriseverest at gmail.com  Sun Sep 26 00:45:26 2004
From: chriseverest at gmail.com (Chris Everest)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:28 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Recording and transferring sound files
In-Reply-To: <200409260025.41655.rfunk@funknet.net>
References: <20040926002617.794c54f6@Samuel.bigbobs.org>
	<200409260025.41655.rfunk@funknet.net>
Message-ID: <864321e204092521454bea1c9c@mail.gmail.com>

You want to get a good audio processing software (audacity for Linux).
 To get a good sound level, you need to have a good solid sound card
and then a software app that will let you monitor the levels while
recording.  Most good apps will display a clip whenever the level goes
above +0.0db.  If it clips, lower the input level and re-record.  I do
this all the time with vinyl, but let me tell you ---  It is much
easier with high quality hardware and software.

Once you get the recording done.  Use a normalize function to bring
the recording up to +0.0db.  Some MP3 encoders do this before
encoding..  Check your encoder command line options.



On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 00:25:41 -0400, Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> wrote:
> Robb Bossley wrote:
> > I have a bunch of tapes I would like to transform to MP3 format.  How
> > could I do this?  Is there an easy way to do it?
> 
> It's a two step process.  First digitize them into wav format, then encode
> to MP3.  By now there may be programs that consolidate the two steps, but
> last time I did it, I used gramofile to record, and lame to encode.
> 
> The hardest part is getting the recording levels right, to get the highest
> record level without clipping.
> 
> > Finally, what about both of the above using the Ogg Vorbis format?
> 
> Same as MP3, but use oggenc instead of lame to encode.
> 
> --
> ==============================|   "A microscope locked in on one point
>  Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> |Never sees what kind of room that it's in"
>  http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 



-- 
Chris Everest
http://linux-iv.ath.cx/

From deepblueedit at columbus.rr.com  Sun Sep 26 08:17:26 2004
From: deepblueedit at columbus.rr.com (Sean McHenry)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:28 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Linux Web Hosting with Python support
In-Reply-To: <864321e2040924075853253623@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4a3c2$c9825000$6501a8c0@bigedit>

You can also try what I have done in the past.  Host the bulk of the
site on the free 10 Meg of web space RR is giving you anyway but put put
all those specialty functions on your box and have the rr site referance
your box only as needed.  I ran a streaming MP3 server for years as well
as a multimedia server and MP3 based radio station.  Hosted the bulk of
the site on the free space and made links to the things I couldn't do
directly on their site.

If you will be doing something like php or java, etc, you will probably
need your own space.  WOW was VERY EASY to live with as they had the
highest speed connection they had plus a static IP and their cable TV
service packaged for around $65 per month some time back.  I'm in rr
country right now and they will not give statics unless you go business
class.

I can't wait for WOW to arrive in the farthest reaches of Hilliard.
I'll jump off rr in a heartbeat.  The only great thing about rr is
unlimited newsgroup usage.

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: colug1-bounces@colug.net [mailto:colug1-bounces@colug.net] On
Behalf Of Chris Everest
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:59 AM
To: archanoid@columbus.rr.com; Central OH Linux User Group
Subject: Re: [COLUG] Linux Web Hosting with Python support


You can get RR business class at vraiable bandwidth rates and obtain a
fully qualified domain.


On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:19:49 -0400, archanoid@columbus.rr.com
<archanoid@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> Hello all:
> 
> I am setting up a website for my new venture and seek your advice on 
> hosting.
> 
> I have RR and could host it here, using dyndns or no-ip to point it to

> my home...but technically that's against the TOS.
> 
> So, I've been looking at some hosting options.  I don't need a 
> dedicated server with craploads of bandwidth, but most free services 
> don't offer much in the way of scripting support.
> 
> What I really hope to find is a web hosting option in the < $5/month 
> range with python support.  There appear to be several out there 
> supporting Perl and PHP, but python isn't as popular I guess.
> 
> Also, I've checked www.python.org and they list a few options but I'm 
> not so sure about them.  One is a free travisbsd.org service.  Anybody

> heard of this?
> 
> What hosting services could any of you recommend?
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> P.S. I have 5 gmail invites if anybody wants to e-mail me off-list.
> 
> P.P.S. Anybody going to LinuxFest Oct. 2?  If so, anybody want to meet

> up?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net 
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 



-- 
Chris Everest
http://linux-iv.ath.cx/ _______________________________________________
colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1


From joe at whipple.cc  Sun Sep 26 09:25:58 2004
From: joe at whipple.cc (Joe Whipple)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:28 2005
Subject: [COLUG] laptop, wireless advice - Realated question
In-Reply-To: <000101c4a1ee$f70ab920$6501a8c0@bigedit>
References: <000101c4a1ee$f70ab920$6501a8c0@bigedit>
Message-ID: <4156C366.3030502@whipple.cc>

Sean,

Everyone (even Tech TV) that I have heard from says all the Microsoft 
network cards are junk.
This is why they dont sell them anymore. I would recommend getting cards 
with a manufacturer that has been in the networking business for a while.
Just because Microsoft makes software, doesnt make them experts on hardware.


Just some advice.
Joe


Sean McHenry wrote:

>Been a while since I had a good one to throw out there so here goes.
>Unfortunatly, it's really a Windows/SuSE issue with wireless PCI card
>adapters.
>
>I have an AMD box in one of the mini Shuttle cases I use as my Avid
>video editing system.  To share graphics and audio with thwe
>workstations, I have a wireless network as well as a few wired machines.
>I recently bought a cheap (as in cost) Microsoft wireless PCI card.
>Under XP Pro, every time I boot I need to tell the networking that I
>want to "Use Windows to configure my wireless connection".  OK.  When I
>do, I get about 5 minutes of connection and then it tries to latch onto
>another network in my neighborhood.  Here's the odd part, if on boot up,
>I tell it to let windows manage the connection, it will connect fine.
>If I then immediately uncheck that box telling Windows to manage the
>connection, I am good for as long as the machine is on.
>
>Any ideas.  It's a bit of a pain but works and actually is a bit of a
>safety feature.  I run Zone Alarm Pro and Norton on all the machines
>these days but that isn't related.  I can turn them off and same issues.
>No DNS servers, strictly workgroups here.  Again, everything runs fine
>once I do that magic dance.
>
>The reason I am bringing it up here is that I am about to purchase a
>second wireless PCI card for use in the XP Pro/SuSE 9.0 Pro machine I
>use for Graphics, Audio (and games).  I haven't had the time to tear
>into the current system and do the swapping around but would like to do
>it this weekend.  You would think M$ would have this all figured out and
>not be a hassle, since it is their OS and their hardware...right.
>
>Thanks for listening,
>
>Sean
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: colug1-bounces@colug.net [mailto:colug1-bounces@colug.net] On
>Behalf Of Chris Everest
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:30 AM
>To: Central OH Linux User Group
>Subject: Re: [COLUG] laptop, wireless advice
>
>
>I administrate a wireless network with 150+ clients over a 1,000,000 sq
>ft area.  I have tried many client vendors and Linksys is by far the
>most difficult to use with Microsoft.  Linksys has a bad habit of
>installing their drivers on a per user basis. However, when you put
>Linksys adapters in a linux machine they work wonders (thanks to the
>beauty of Open Source Drivers).  My other favorites are SMC and DLink.
>SMC and DLink give me much better results as far as consistent
>connections.  The actual bandwidth rates are a bit lower, but they are
>always very consistent.  Keep in mind that consistency in wireless has
>an inverse effect on bandwidth rates.  The more consistent your wireless
>connection, the less your clients/access points have to retransmit!!!!!
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Keith Larson <klarson@k12group.net>
>Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 06:58:46 -0400
>Subject: Re: [COLUG] laptop, wireless advice
>To: colug1@colug.net
>
>
>I have Linksys and it has never given me any trouble.  My son's computer
>is wireless only and we game over the connection and all kinds of stuff.
>I have had other people tell me that they had trouble with Linksys, but
>I haven't.
> 
>Keith
>
>  
>
>>>>linux@ezas.net 9/23/2004 12:04:32 AM >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>
>
>  
>

From joe at whipple.cc  Sun Sep 26 09:29:58 2004
From: joe at whipple.cc (Joe Whipple)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:28 2005
Subject: [COLUG] BitTorrent Service
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409240948120.9275-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409240948120.9275-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
Message-ID: <4156C456.9020200@whipple.cc>

Josh,

I have had my upload speed surpass my download speed on BT.
I use a client called BitTornado if that helps. It concerns me that you 
cannot
browse or anything while using BT. How long did you monitor your 
connection speed on BT?
I know it takes a few minutes/hours sometimes to get it going up to speed.


Joe


Joshua Kramer wrote:

>A related BitTorrent question:
>
>Having just set up Sprint ADSL, last night I configured my firewall for 
>BitTorrent.  I started downloading the Project Gutenberg DVD ISO, and I 
>noticed two things:
>
>1. At no time did my download speed exceed the upload speed;
>2. All other internet access was completely dead - browsing to google 
>didn't work, etc.
>
>I kind of understand how BT works; but is the download speed always 
>limited by maximum upload speed?  I'm only getting a max of 16KB/sec 
>download.
>
>Thanks,
>--Josh
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>  
>

From archanoid at columbus.rr.com  Sun Sep 26 12:53:26 2004
From: archanoid at columbus.rr.com (archanoid@columbus.rr.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:29 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Recording and transferring sound files
Message-ID: <594edf593038.593038594edf@columbus.rr.com>

Robb Bossley <robb@bossleyfamily.com> wrote:
>
> I have a bunch of tapes I would like to transform 
> to MP3 format.  How could I do this?  Is there an 
> easy way to do it?

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ is great.  With a decent sound card and a decent tape deck, you should be able to get decent recordings.  I have an SB Live card that works fine.  You mightn't know it, but a lot of the OTHER components in your PC affect the quality of the recording MORE than the sound chipset.  For instance, I have done audio recording on a PC with a plain AC97 chipset, but the box is an embedded style system with no fans and quality components.  The noise it generates is not even noticeable.  

But, I did some recording on a box with a higher quality Audigy card but the system has a case fan, a CPU cooling fan, a video card cooling fan, etc.  You could hear noticeable white noise in all the recordings.  It was disturbing.

Audigy has worked very well for me.  Consider recording with a dedicated piece of hardware (I have a Neuros MP3 player with line in recording support and a Zoom 10 track digital recording workstation that I use) because IMHO that conversion form analog to digital is the most important step.  Keep as much noise out of that step as possible.

Also, for voice, check out the speex codec.  (www.speex.org)  I have not used it, but it supposedly does a fantastic job with voice.

It isn't difficult to do the recording with Audacity.  I believe there are tools that will even scan a recording for the telltale 2-4 seconds of silence between tracks and split the recording into separate track files for you.

> 
> I also want to record speeches in MP3 format.  
> What type of hardware could do this?

Again, any PC will do it, but be careful about system noise.  PCs are some of the noisiest machines in existence...second only to possibly jackhammers...and maybe flourescent lights.

> 
> Finally, what about both of the above using the 
> Ogg Vorbis format?

Ogg Vorbis is great.  I've ripped most of my CD collection (~50 CDs) to VBR ogg vorbis sound files.  They sound excellent and my Neuros plays them...although if I encode them at too high a quality the Neuros starts having problems.  It takes more processing power to decode vorbis than mp3.

> 
> Thanks.
> 

Good luck!

-Aaron


From rfunk at funknet.net  Sun Sep 26 15:11:16 2004
From: rfunk at funknet.net (Rob Funk)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:29 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Recording and transferring sound files
In-Reply-To: <594edf593038.593038594edf@columbus.rr.com>
References: <594edf593038.593038594edf@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200409261511.16494.rfunk@funknet.net>

archanoid@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> It isn't difficult to do the recording with Audacity.  I believe there
> are tools that will even scan a recording for the telltale 2-4 seconds
> of silence between tracks and split the recording into separate track
> files for you.

I just checked audacity and didn't see such a feature, but I'd love to know 
if it's there.  That's one of the big features of gramofile, and one of 
the main reasons I use it even when I've used something else to record to 
a digital file.  On the other hand, Audacity is easier for manual 
splitting at non-silent points.

> It takes more processing power to decode vorbis than
> mp3.

Hmm, that might help explain why ogg vorbis still isn't supported in many 
embedded hardware players, even the ones with upgradable firmware.

-- 
==============================|   "A microscope locked in on one point
 Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> |Never sees what kind of room that it's in"
 http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"

From jep200404 at columbus.rr.com  Sun Sep 26 20:09:49 2004
From: jep200404 at columbus.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:29 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Ogg/Vorbis
In-Reply-To: <200409261511.16494.rfunk@funknet.net>
References: <594edf593038.593038594edf@columbus.rr.com>
	<200409261511.16494.rfunk@funknet.net>
Message-ID: <20040926200949.55d8bb1d.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>

Rob Funk wrote:

> archanoid@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> > It takes more processing power to decode vorbis than mp3.
> 
> Hmm, that might help explain why ogg vorbis still isn't supported in many 
> embedded hardware players, even the ones with upgradable firmware.

I think that lack of market demand is a much more important reason.  
Outside Linux folks, what percentage of people have heard of Ogg?  
What percentage know what it is?  What percentage want it?  

I was recently at a trade show with an audio server.  
MP3s are taken for granted.  Some folks request WAV or WMA.  
Maybe one person has requested Apple MOV.  
A few folks asked about working with Apples, 
but that was confused with iPod and iTunes, 
so I'm not sure (and even they were not sure) 
exactly what there were asking about.  

No one has ever asked for Ogg.  
When I bring it up, only a very few 
folks have heard of it or know what it is.  


From KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET  Sun Sep 26 21:02:20 2004
From: KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET (Keith Larson)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:29 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Linux Web Hosting with Python support
Message-ID: <s1572e79.002@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>

yeah, I used a static ip from WOW for quite some time.  Had it for
almost a year and one day it stopped working.  They said that it was
because I needed to use DHCP to get the static address.  This turned out
to be ununsually hard on a NetWare box, so now I colocate for $50/mo and
get dedicated bandwidth and a static ip.


>>> deepblueedit@columbus.rr.com 9/26/2004 8:17:26 AM >>>

You can also try what I have done in the past.  Host the bulk of the
site on the free 10 Meg of web space RR is giving you anyway but put
put
all those specialty functions on your box and have the rr site
referance
your box only as needed.  I ran a streaming MP3 server for years as
well
as a multimedia server and MP3 based radio station.  Hosted the bulk
of
the site on the free space and made links to the things I couldn't do
directly on their site.

If you will be doing something like php or java, etc, you will
probably
need your own space.  WOW was VERY EASY to live with as they had the
highest speed connection they had plus a static IP and their cable TV
service packaged for around $65 per month some time back.  I'm in rr
country right now and they will not give statics unless you go
business
class.

I can't wait for WOW to arrive in the farthest reaches of Hilliard.
I'll jump off rr in a heartbeat.  The only great thing about rr is
unlimited newsgroup usage.

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: colug1-bounces@colug.net [mailto:colug1-bounces@colug.net] On
Behalf Of Chris Everest
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:59 AM
To: archanoid@columbus.rr.com; Central OH Linux User Group
Subject: Re: [COLUG] Linux Web Hosting with Python support


You can get RR business class at vraiable bandwidth rates and obtain a
fully qualified domain.


On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:19:49 -0400, archanoid@columbus.rr.com
<archanoid@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> Hello all:
> 
> I am setting up a website for my new venture and seek your advice on

> hosting.
> 
> I have RR and could host it here, using dyndns or no-ip to point it
to

> my home...but technically that's against the TOS.
> 
> So, I've been looking at some hosting options.  I don't need a 
> dedicated server with craploads of bandwidth, but most free services

> don't offer much in the way of scripting support.
> 
> What I really hope to find is a web hosting option in the < $5/month

> range with python support.  There appear to be several out there 
> supporting Perl and PHP, but python isn't as popular I guess.
> 
> Also, I've checked www.python.org and they list a few options but I'm

> not so sure about them.  One is a free travisbsd.org service. 
Anybody

> heard of this?
> 
> What hosting services could any of you recommend?
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> P.S. I have 5 gmail invites if anybody wants to e-mail me off-list.
> 
> P.P.S. Anybody going to LinuxFest Oct. 2?  If so, anybody want to
meet

> up?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net 
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 



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From sjs at khadrin.com  Sun Sep 26 21:20:55 2004
From: sjs at khadrin.com (Stephen J. Smith)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:29 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Modem On Hold
Message-ID: <1096248055.3492.39.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>

I am setting up a gateway for some broadband deprived relatives.  I have
NAT and dial-on-demand working.

Has anyone found Linux software to support V.92 features [1]?  I am
particularly interested in modem-on-hold and quick connect.

The particular modem I am testing with is a U.S. Robotics 005686-05 [2],
but I would be willing to buy another one if I knew it worked well with
Linux.

[1] http://www.v92.com/about/
[2] http://www.usr.com/support/product-template.asp?prod=5686e

-- 
Stephen J. Smith | sjs@khadrin.com | http://khadrin.com/


From kb8rln at penguinmaster.com  Sun Sep 26 21:27:30 2004
From: kb8rln at penguinmaster.com (Richard Rager)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:29 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Modem On Hold
In-Reply-To: <1096248055.3492.39.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>
References: <1096248055.3492.39.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409262027160.27408@IBM>

User name and password for the router.


Richard Rager

Microsoft New Program

Infinite Perpetual Patch Program (IPPP)

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004, Stephen J. Smith wrote:

> I am setting up a gateway for some broadband deprived relatives.  I have
> NAT and dial-on-demand working.
> 
> Has anyone found Linux software to support V.92 features [1]?  I am
> particularly interested in modem-on-hold and quick connect.
> 
> The particular modem I am testing with is a U.S. Robotics 005686-05 [2],
> but I would be willing to buy another one if I knew it worked well with
> Linux.
> 
> [1] http://www.v92.com/about/
> [2] http://www.usr.com/support/product-template.asp?prod=5686e
> 
> -- 
> Stephen J. Smith | sjs@khadrin.com | http://khadrin.com/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 

From kb8rln at penguinmaster.com  Sun Sep 26 21:28:02 2004
From: kb8rln at penguinmaster.com (Richard Rager)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:29 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Modem On Hold
In-Reply-To: <1096248055.3492.39.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>
References: <1096248055.3492.39.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409262027520.27408@IBM>

Remove that last message 


Richard Rager

Microsoft New Program

Infinite Perpetual Patch Program (IPPP)

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004, Stephen J. Smith wrote:

> I am setting up a gateway for some broadband deprived relatives.  I have
> NAT and dial-on-demand working.
> 
> Has anyone found Linux software to support V.92 features [1]?  I am
> particularly interested in modem-on-hold and quick connect.
> 
> The particular modem I am testing with is a U.S. Robotics 005686-05 [2],
> but I would be willing to buy another one if I knew it worked well with
> Linux.
> 
> [1] http://www.v92.com/about/
> [2] http://www.usr.com/support/product-template.asp?prod=5686e
> 
> -- 
> Stephen J. Smith | sjs@khadrin.com | http://khadrin.com/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 

From sjs at khadrin.com  Sun Sep 26 21:38:10 2004
From: sjs at khadrin.com (Stephen J. Smith)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:29 2005
Subject: [COLUG] [OT] recommend a lawyer?
Message-ID: <1096249090.3492.74.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>

I have been working on a 1099 basis lately.  I have decided I need some
professional help (no not that kind =p).  In particular I need some help
enforcing a contract I have.  I also expect to need someone to review
future contracts, and to help me set up a corporation (if in fact that
is a good idea).  Any recommendations?

-- 
Stephen J. Smith | sjs@khadrin.com | http://khadrin.com/


From linux at ezas.net  Sun Sep 26 22:30:28 2004
From: linux at ezas.net (Linux User)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:29 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Linux Web Hosting with Python support
In-Reply-To: <s1572e79.002@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
References: <s1572e79.002@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
Message-ID: <20040926222819.5DC6.LINUX@ezas.net>

I too have a "Static IP" from WOW.  As Keith mentioned, it is not really
static, it is a researved IP.  While this is OK for most applications,
it really screws up a VPN that requires a ture static IP.



From ddlucas at lse.com  Sun Sep 26 22:40:53 2004
From: ddlucas at lse.com (David D. Lucas)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:29 2005
Subject: [COLUG] [OT] recommend a lawyer?
In-Reply-To: <1096249090.3492.74.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>
References: <1096249090.3492.74.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>
Message-ID: <41577DB5.1080005@lse.com>

I would recommend contacting the McGregor Group.  They helped me setup 
my corportation.  They provide excellent accounting and tax handling and 
they have access to a great attorny that has an excellent accounting 
background.  For more information contact Jeff Hendricks at (614) 
326-0900.

Enjoy!
Dave


Stephen J. Smith wrote:
> I have been working on a 1099 basis lately.  I have decided I need some
> professional help (no not that kind =p).  In particular I need some help
> enforcing a contract I have.  I also expect to need someone to review
> future contracts, and to help me set up a corporation (if in fact that
> is a good idea).  Any recommendations?
> 


-- 

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+------------------------------------------------------------+

Notes: PGP Key Block=http://www.lse.com/~ddlucas/pgpblock.txt
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All trademarks above are those of their respective owners.


From ddlucas at lse.com  Sun Sep 26 22:46:51 2004
From: ddlucas at lse.com (David D. Lucas)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:29 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Linux Web Hosting with Python support
In-Reply-To: <20040926222819.5DC6.LINUX@ezas.net>
References: <s1572e79.002@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>
	<20040926222819.5DC6.LINUX@ezas.net>
Message-ID: <41577F1B.9030501@lse.com>

Sometimes you can get away with mapping a DNS hostname onto a dynamic 
IP.  If that can fix your delima, then try someone like zoneedit.com .
They offer free dynamic DNS that allows working around the moving target 
left by some DHCP servers.

Enjoy!
Dave



Linux User wrote:
> I too have a "Static IP" from WOW.  As Keith mentioned, it is not really
> static, it is a researved IP.  While this is OK for most applications,
> it really screws up a VPN that requires a ture static IP.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1


-- 

+------------------------------------------------------------+
| David Lucas                      mailto: ddlucas @ lse.com |
| Lucas Software Engineering, Inc.   (740) 964-6248 Voice    |
| Unix,Java,C++,CORBA,XML,EJB        (614) 668-4020 Mobile   |
| Middleware,Frameworks              (888) 866-4728 Fax/Msg  |
+------------------------------------------------------------+
| GPS Location:  40.0150 deg Lat,  -82.6378 deg Long         |
| IMHC: "Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life."  |
| IMHC: "I know where I am; I know where I'm going."    <><  |
+------------------------------------------------------------+

Notes: PGP Key Block=http://www.lse.com/~ddlucas/pgpblock.txt
IMHO="in my humble opinion" IMHC="in my humble conviction"
All trademarks above are those of their respective owners.


From rfunk at funknet.net  Sun Sep 26 23:17:21 2004
From: rfunk at funknet.net (Rob Funk)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:29 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Ogg/Vorbis
In-Reply-To: <20040926200949.55d8bb1d.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
References: <594edf593038.593038594edf@columbus.rr.com>
	<200409261511.16494.rfunk@funknet.net>
	<20040926200949.55d8bb1d.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200409262317.21922.rfunk@funknet.net>

Jim wrote:
> Rob Funk wrote:
> > Hmm, that might help explain why ogg vorbis still isn't supported in
> > many embedded hardware players, even the ones with upgradable
> > firmware.
>
> I think that lack of market demand is a much more important reason.
> Outside Linux folks, what percentage of people have heard of Ogg?
> What percentage know what it is?  What percentage want it?

Yeah, but I have seen players with upgradable firmware specifically mention 
that Ogg might come sometime.  I guess they might be waiting for customer 
demand, but this customer is waiting for device support before switching 
from MP3 to Ogg.

I've had my eye on the iRiver SlimX CD/MP3 players, whose firmware can be 
upgraded, and I just checked the website to see what their Ogg status is.  
Those particular players don't support ogg, and the line about upgradable 
firmware mentions future formats but not ogg specifically; however, some 
of their flash players apparently support ogg.  (And hey, their capacities 
now rival CDs, so I might have to look into them, though car players are 
still an issue.)

> I was recently at a trade show with an audio server.

Really?  Can you tell us more about that audio server?
Familiar with http://www.slimdevices.com/ ?

> No one has ever asked for Ogg.
> When I bring it up, only a very few
> folks have heard of it or know what it is.

That's because nothing supports it.  The same users who were early adopters 
for MP3 and popularized it among the rest of the world are having trouble 
convincing the rest of the world to switch to Ogg now.  And a big part of 
that is that Ogg's biggest advantage over MP3 is a non-issue if you still 
need to support MP3 anyway.  So the device makers pay the MP3 patent 
license so they can compete, so people's music libraries still play, and 
the vast majority have no reason to even start using Ogg.

Of course, Microsoft and Apple have other powers they use to encourage 
people to use their codecs and therefore encourage device support. (Though 
I still don't understand the demand for WMA.)  Ogg Vorbis doesn't have 
that, at least not to anywhere near the same extent.

-- 
==============================|   "A microscope locked in on one point
 Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> |Never sees what kind of room that it's in"
 http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"

From sjs at khadrin.com  Sun Sep 26 23:36:24 2004
From: sjs at khadrin.com (Stephen J. Smith)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:29 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Ogg/Vorbis
In-Reply-To: <200409262317.21922.rfunk@funknet.net>
References: <594edf593038.593038594edf@columbus.rr.com>
	<200409261511.16494.rfunk@funknet.net>
	<20040926200949.55d8bb1d.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
	<200409262317.21922.rfunk@funknet.net>
Message-ID: <1096256184.3492.198.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>

On Sun, 2004-09-26 at 23:17, Rob Funk wrote:
> I've had my eye on the iRiver SlimX CD/MP3 players, whose firmware can be 
> upgraded, and I just checked the website to see what their Ogg status is.  
> Those particular players don't support ogg, and the line about upgradable 
> firmware mentions future formats but not ogg specifically; however, some 
> of their flash players apparently support ogg.  (And hey, their capacities 
> now rival CDs, so I might have to look into them, though car players are 
> still an issue.)

I have an iRiver IHP-120 (20 gig hard drive player) which supports ogg. 
The Rio Karma supports ogg and flac.  Doesn't necessarily sound like you
are interested in a hard drive player though...

-- 
Stephen J. Smith | sjs@khadrin.com | http://khadrin.com/


From KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET  Mon Sep 27 06:36:49 2004
From: KLARSON at K12GROUP.NET (Keith Larson)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:29 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Linux Web Hosting with Python support
Message-ID: <s157b510.008@MAIL.K12GROUP.NET>

at that's what i was trying to use it for.  also messes with firewall
filtering rules.


>>> linux@ezas.net 9/26/2004 10:30:28 PM >>>

I too have a "Static IP" from WOW.  As Keith mentioned, it is not
really
static, it is a researved IP.  While this is OK for most applications,
it really screws up a VPN that requires a ture static IP.


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From jep200404 at columbus.rr.com  Mon Sep 27 08:55:02 2004
From: jep200404 at columbus.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:29 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Ogg/Vorbis
In-Reply-To: <200409262317.21922.rfunk@funknet.net>
References: <594edf593038.593038594edf@columbus.rr.com>
	<200409261511.16494.rfunk@funknet.net>
	<20040926200949.55d8bb1d.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
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Ron Funk Wrote: 

> Jim wrote:
> > I was recently at a trade show with an audio server.
> 
> Really?  Can you tell us more about that audio server?

It is an MP3 player on major steroids.  
It is a several-U rackmount device with multiple stereo pairs out.  
All control is over a tcp sockets over ethernet.  

> > No one has ever asked for Ogg.
> > When I bring it up, only a very few
> > folks have heard of it or know what it is.
> 
> That's because nothing supports it.  

Yup.  It's a chicken versus egg situation.  
I wonder about how well the BBC's new format will be accepted.  
Hopefully, making their whole library available on line in 
their new free format will create enough demand.  


From sjs at khadrin.com  Mon Sep 27 08:55:19 2004
From: sjs at khadrin.com (Stephen J. Smith)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:29 2005
Subject: [COLUG] ppp idle timeout
Message-ID: <1096289719.3492.328.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I am setting up a Linux box to act as
a gateway for a dialup internet connection.

Unfortunately, pppd is not dropping the connection as soon as I would
like.  It seems that external traffic, such as connection requests to
port 1029 (Kilo backdoor), cause pppd to reset its idle timer.

I have some iptables rules for NAT and to block incoming connections so
far (included below).  I was thinking I could use ULOG [1] as follows:

iptables -A INPUT -i ppp0  -j ULOG --ulog-nlgroup 11 --ulog-cprange 1 --ulog-qthreshold 1

and then write a daemon to wait for activity on the netlink socket.  If
no activity is seen before the idle timeout is reached, the daemon would
cause pppd to drop the link by sending a SIGHUP.  (I have tested the
SIGHUP.  It causes the link to drop, but doesn't cause pppd to exit, as
documented.)

Anyone know of any ready-made solutions?  Think my idea is reasonable?

[1] http://www.faqs.org/docs/iptables/targets.html#ULOGTARGET

# Generated by iptables-save v1.2.8 on Sun Sep 26 20:14:02 2004
*filter
:INPUT ACCEPT [121:111153]
:FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0]
:OUTPUT ACCEPT [179:17818]
# Drop incoming packets
-A INPUT -i ppp0 -m state --state INVALID,NEW -j DROP 
-A FORWARD -i ppp0 -m state --state INVALID,NEW -j DROP 
# Stop private packets from going to the wan
-A OUTPUT -o ppp0 -d 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 -j DROP 
-A OUTPUT -o ppp0 -d 127.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 -j DROP 
-A OUTPUT -o ppp0 -d 169.254.0.0/255.255.0.0 -j DROP 
-A OUTPUT -o ppp0 -d 172.16.0.0/255.240.0.0 -j DROP 
-A OUTPUT -o ppp0 -d 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 -j DROP 
COMMIT
# Completed on Sun Sep 26 20:14:02 2004
# Generated by iptables-save v1.2.8 on Sun Sep 26 20:14:02 2004
*nat
:PREROUTING ACCEPT [5:2364]
:POSTROUTING ACCEPT [0:0]
:OUTPUT ACCEPT [35:2172]
-A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE 
COMMIT
# Completed on Sun Sep 26 20:14:02 2004

-- 
Stephen J. Smith | sjs@khadrin.com | http://khadrin.com/


From ssharkey at linuxunlimited.com  Mon Sep 27 09:27:53 2004
From: ssharkey at linuxunlimited.com (Scott Sharkey)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:29 2005
Subject: [COLUG] [OT] recommend a lawyer?
In-Reply-To: <1096249090.3492.74.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>
References: <1096249090.3492.74.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>
Message-ID: <41581559.3040706@linuxunlimited.com>

Stephen J. Smith wrote:
> I have been working on a 1099 basis lately.  I have decided I need some
> professional help (no not that kind =p).  In particular I need some help
> enforcing a contract I have.  I also expect to need someone to review
> future contracts, and to help me set up a corporation (if in fact that
> is a good idea).  Any recommendations?
> 
I recommend Perry Chappano at Chappano, Wood PLL.  They are downtown
on the corner of Gay and High, 9th floor.  Perry has served as our
corporate lawyer for more than 15 years, specializing in intellectual 
property.  He is well versed in copyright law, as well as in contracts
and knows the software development process pretty well.  His number
is 614-228-4422.  Tell him I recommended you call.

-Scott Sharkey
Linux Unlimited, LLC


From brett at bnbstauffer.net  Mon Sep 27 15:15:42 2004
From: brett at bnbstauffer.net (Brett Stauffer)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:30 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Experience with clusters?
Message-ID: <1096312542.415866de4e219@bnbstauffer.net>

Hi all-

I have a possible chance to implement a high-performance Linux cluster at my
place of employment.  There are several hurdles to overcome with management,
particularly the idea of running an unsupported distribution on compute
nodes.   If anyone has any cluster experience, particularly in a corporate
environment, I would appreciate any insight you might have.

thanks,
--brett

From brucehohl at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 27 20:32:35 2004
From: brucehohl at yahoo.com (Bruce Hohl)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:30 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Suggestion for tape hardware and software
Message-ID: <20040928003235.82806.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com>

Could any offer a suggestion for single tape backup
hardware and backup software (commercial or open
source) to be used to backup a small workgroup Samba
server.  My needs are modest and I'd like to keep
things simple.  Thanks. 


		
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From skippy at skippy.net  Mon Sep 27 20:48:16 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:30 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Suggestion for tape hardware and software
In-Reply-To: <20040928003235.82806.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040928003235.82806.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4158B4D0.6040400@skippy.net>

Bruce Hohl wrote:
> Could any offer a suggestion for single tape backup
> hardware and backup software (commercial or open
> source) to be used to backup a small workgroup Samba
> server.  My needs are modest and I'd like to keep
> things simple.  Thanks. 

I've used the free-as-in-beer version of Arkeia:
    http://www.arkeia.com/

It's a pretty decent solution.

Amanda is another I looked at, but it struck me as more complicated:
    http://www.amanda.org/

Some time ago some discussion on COLUG led to rsync-diff backups to 
another disk.  That might be worth googling.

From g_w_schmidt at att.net  Mon Sep 27 20:30:02 2004
From: g_w_schmidt at att.net (Greg)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:30 2005
Subject: [COLUG] ppp idle timeout
In-Reply-To: <1096289719.3492.328.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>;
	from sjs@khadrin.com on Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 08:55:19 -0400
References: <1096289719.3492.328.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>
Message-ID: <20040927203002.A6262@greg>

On 2004.09.27 08:55 Stephen J. Smith wrote:
> As I mentioned in an earlier post, I am setting up a Linux box to act
> as
> a gateway for a dialup internet connection.
> 
> Unfortunately, pppd is not dropping the connection as soon as I would
> like.  It seems that external traffic, such as connection requests to
> port 1029 (Kilo backdoor), cause pppd to reset its idle timer.

I was also having trouble with probes and other periodic messages 
keeping the link up. I installed the diald package and used it's config 
files to ignore the nasty stuf. I have only had to update the config 
once in the last year because a new port popped up.

The diald monitor seemes to be in front of the ip(tables/chains) filter 
so packets that are DROPed still seem to trigger a keep alive if they 
are not ignored in the diald config file.

Greg



From linux at ezas.net  Mon Sep 27 21:44:37 2004
From: linux at ezas.net (Linux User)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:30 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Suggestion for tape hardware and software
In-Reply-To: <4158B4D0.6040400@skippy.net>
References: <20040928003235.82806.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com>
	<4158B4D0.6040400@skippy.net>
Message-ID: <20040927214201.5DD6.LINUX@ezas.net>

Scott,

Let me know if you find differently, but I think Arkeia no longer offers
a Free version.  Bummer huh?

Chris



From brucehohl at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 27 21:45:25 2004
From: brucehohl at yahoo.com (Bruce Hohl)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:30 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Suggestion for tape hardware and software
In-Reply-To: <4158B4D0.6040400@skippy.net>
Message-ID: <20040928014525.27185.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Scott Merrill <skippy@skippy.net> wrote:

> > Bruce Hohl wrote:
> > Could any offer a suggestion for single tape
> > backup .....
> 
> Some time ago some discussion on COLUG led to
> rsync-diff backups to 
> another disk. 

Thanks I found some good info on rsync at
http://rsync.samba.org and
http://mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/

I might do that but I'm still looking for a good
solution for tape hardware and software.  I was hoping
someone has a setup they liked for a small workgroup
Samba server.


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From dmaxwell at columbus.rr.com  Mon Sep 27 22:46:31 2004
From: dmaxwell at columbus.rr.com (Dave Maxwell)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:30 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Suggestion for tape hardware and software
In-Reply-To: <20040928014525.27185.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040928014525.27185.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200409272246.31903.dmaxwell@columbus.rr.com>

On Monday 27 September 2004 09:45 pm, Bruce Hohl wrote:
 
>
> I might do that but I'm still looking for a good
> solution for tape hardware and software.  I was hoping
> someone has a setup they liked for a small workgroup
> Samba server.
>
>
I use a set of scripts called flexbackup.  Flexbackup lets you use any of the 
usual suspects like cpio and tar as the backend.  I had the best results 
using Star as the backend engine.  It isn't a concern for me (yet) but Star 
also handles extended metadata correctly (acls, streams, etc).   The config 
file is VERY well documented and various job types can be easily scheduled 
with cron.

I'm using this with VXA-1 tape drives on a couple of servers.

http://www.flexbackup.org/
http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/berlios/employees/joerg.schilling/private/star.html

I have a set of tapes labeled Monday through Friday.  Friday is a Full backup 
and Mon-Thu are differential.  So I only need Friday and the previous day's 
tape for a full restore.  Missing a day really only affects that day.  A 
differential backup picks up everything since the last full.  I did emphasize 
to the secretaries that "Friday is the MOST important one.  Don't forget that 
one!"  Come to think of it, I may change that scheme to Full on Wednesday and 
Friday nights and differentials the rest of the time.

This was a major reason I rejected other solutions.  The secretaries who will 
be changing the tapes wouldn't have wrapped their heads around the non-linear 
tape orders the industrial strength solutions seem to foist on you.  
Actually, that aspect of them didn't endear them to me either.  For something 
like Amanda, I had a hard time wringing straight answers to straight 
questions from the docs. "How do I configure the backups?"  "This is a single 
tape machine.  What order do the tapes go in once I've configured it?"  "How 
do I explain to the non-technical types at the buildings which tape goes in 
when?"  "What order do the tapes go back in for a restore?"  

Cheers!

Dave Maxwell
-- 
It's hard to keep your shirt on when you're getting something off your chest.

From skippy at skippy.net  Mon Sep 27 23:06:52 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:30 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Suggestion for tape hardware and software
In-Reply-To: <20040927214201.5DD6.LINUX@ezas.net>
References: <20040928003235.82806.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com>	<4158B4D0.6040400@skippy.net>
	<20040927214201.5DD6.LINUX@ezas.net>
Message-ID: <4158D54C.2090900@skippy.net>

Linux User wrote:
> Scott,
> 
> Let me know if you find differently, but I think Arkeia no longer offers
> a Free version.  Bummer huh?

They still offer, but don't much publicize, Arkeia Light:
    http://www.arkeia.org/download/light/

 From the main arkeia web page, you can select Arkeia Light from the 
drop-down box at the top left (labelled "Quicklinks").

I'm using Arkeia Light for a single Samba server backing up to a single 
DLT tape drive.  It works well: five tapes, labelled Monday through 
Thursday.  Every night is a full backup, since the data fits the tapes 
(user data only -- we don't back up OS components).  The administration 
is straightforward, once you read the docs.  The admin GUI is (mostly) 
intuitive and easy to use.

Cheers,
Scott

From pat at linuxcolumbus.com  Tue Sep 28 00:10:08 2004
From: pat at linuxcolumbus.com (Pat Collins)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:30 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Suggestion for tape hardware and software
In-Reply-To: <200409272246.31903.dmaxwell@columbus.rr.com>
References: <20040928014525.27185.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200409272246.31903.dmaxwell@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20040928041007.GN6904@linuxcolumbus.com>

On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 10:46:31PM -0400, Dave Maxwell wrote:
> On Monday 27 September 2004 09:45 pm, Bruce Hohl wrote:
>  
> >
> > I might do that but I'm still looking for a good
> > solution for tape hardware and software.  I was hoping
> > someone has a setup they liked for a small workgroup
> > Samba server.
> >
> >
> I use a set of scripts called flexbackup.  Flexbackup lets you use any of the 
> usual suspects like cpio and tar as the backend.  I had the best results 
> using Star as the backend engine.  It isn't a concern for me (yet) but Star 
> also handles extended metadata correctly (acls, streams, etc).   The config 
> file is VERY well documented and various job types can be easily scheduled 
> with cron.
> 
> I'm using this with VXA-1 tape drives on a couple of servers.
> 
> http://www.flexbackup.org/

My hero.  I also have a vxa-1 and have been looking for something other
than amanda.

Pat
 

From sjs at khadrin.com  Tue Sep 28 00:54:47 2004
From: sjs at khadrin.com (Stephen J. Smith)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:30 2005
Subject: [COLUG] ppp idle timeout (solved) (announce idled)
In-Reply-To: <20040927203002.A6262@greg>
References: <1096289719.3492.328.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>
	<20040927203002.A6262@greg>
Message-ID: <1096347287.3492.349.camel@cobra.khadrin.com>

On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 20:30, Greg wrote:
> On 2004.09.27 08:55 Stephen J. Smith wrote:
> > Unfortunately, pppd is not dropping the connection as soon as I would
> > like.  It seems that external traffic, such as connection requests to
> > port 1029 (Kilo backdoor), cause pppd to reset its idle timer.
> 
> I was also having trouble with probes and other periodic messages 
> keeping the link up. I installed the diald package and used it's config 
> files to ignore the nasty stuf. I have only had to update the config 
> once in the last year because a new port popped up.

Hi Greg.  Thanks for the info.

I also implemented my idea for a solution.  Source code is available on
my web site: http://khadrin.com/kblog/archives/000057.html.  Works for
me

-- 
Stephen J. Smith | sjs@khadrin.com | http://khadrin.com/


From joe at whipple.cc  Tue Sep 28 08:49:47 2004
From: joe at whipple.cc (Joe Whipple)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:30 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Experience with clusters?
In-Reply-To: <1096312542.415866de4e219@bnbstauffer.net>
References: <1096312542.415866de4e219@bnbstauffer.net>
Message-ID: <41595DEB.8090604@whipple.cc>

Brett,

The company that I work for (AmericaTAB) installed two linux clusters 
from Microway. These are all 64 bit machines running SuSE Linux (64 bit 
version). We are extremely happy with the setup and Microway did all of 
the initial setup. I would recommend them to anyone.

Joe


Brett Stauffer wrote:

>Hi all-
>
>I have a possible chance to implement a high-performance Linux cluster at my
>place of employment.  There are several hurdles to overcome with management,
>particularly the idea of running an unsupported distribution on compute
>nodes.   If anyone has any cluster experience, particularly in a corporate
>environment, I would appreciate any insight you might have.
>
>thanks,
>--brett
>_______________________________________________
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>

From jeremiah at facility9.com  Tue Sep 28 09:02:32 2004
From: jeremiah at facility9.com (Jeremiah McElroy)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:30 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Airport Extreme Print Sharing
Message-ID: <7BC1F0BB-5C56-44E9-BB44-D41C28E4F298@mimectl>

I know, the subject doesn't look very Linux-related.

My wife and I have an Airport Extreme base station running the NAT and DHCP for the house and I'm running Fedora Core 2.  We just purchased a Epson Stylus CX5400 which is now plugged into the USB port on the Airport base station.  I briefly tried to map my Linux box to it last night, but I had no such luck.  After googling this morning, I also didn't have much luck finding any information on how to print from a Linux box to a networked printer on an Airport base station.

Has anyone had experience doing this?  Or perhaps you might know of some tutorial that I could take a look at.

Thanks,

jeremiah
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From dshermin at ameritech.net  Tue Sep 28 09:32:18 2004
From: dshermin at ameritech.net (David Sherman)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:30 2005
Subject: [COLUG] maybe it is time to switch??
Message-ID: <3tpil0t5ra1ktj484qvveo8tuev7volh30@4ax.com>

According to these articles, Is it legal to make images of your
machine?


http://www.nwfusion.com/net.worker/columnists/2004/0920gaskin.html?fsrc=rss-columns

http://www.nwfusion.com/net.worker/columnists/2004/0927gaskin.html?fsrc=rss-columns

From dshermin at ameritech.net  Tue Sep 28 09:33:31 2004
From: dshermin at ameritech.net (David Sherman)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:30 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Experience with clusters?
In-Reply-To: <1096312542.415866de4e219@bnbstauffer.net>
References: <1096312542.415866de4e219@bnbstauffer.net>
Message-ID: <rvpil0tggcseqp632tqj57c4d03n5707tc@4ax.com>

Brett, I would contact the folks at the Ohio Supercomputer Center


On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:15:42 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi all-
>
>I have a possible chance to implement a high-performance Linux cluster at my
>place of employment.  There are several hurdles to overcome with management,
>particularly the idea of running an unsupported distribution on compute
>nodes.   If anyone has any cluster experience, particularly in a corporate
>environment, I would appreciate any insight you might have.
>
>thanks,
>--brett
>_______________________________________________
>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1


From skippy at skippy.net  Tue Sep 28 12:21:35 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:30 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Now Taking Requests
Message-ID: <34955.216.136.35.122.1096388495.squirrel@216.136.35.122>

If anyone wants a Knoppix 3.6 CD, please speak up and I'll bring them with
me to the meeting on Wednesday.

The meeting is a great chance for the bandwidth impaired to obtain new
distributions.  If someone wants a Knoppix DVD, I could download that (or
I think Jim has a copy he could burn?).

If you're looking for a particular distribution, speak up.  If you see a
request for something which you already have, please respond so that we
don't all start downloading in vain!  =)

Cheers,
Scott


From tom at functionalmedia.com  Tue Sep 28 15:25:10 2004
From: tom at functionalmedia.com (tom@functionalmedia.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:30 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Linux Web Hosting with Python support
In-Reply-To: <55a5915593ab.5593ab55a591@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1CE0998E-1184-11D9-A909-00039317745E@functionalmedia.com>


On Friday, September 24, 2004, at 10:19  AM, archanoid@columbus.rr.com 
wrote:

> Hello all:
>
> I am setting up a website for my new venture and seek your advice on 
> hosting.

> What I really hope to find is a web hosting option in the < $5/month 
> range with python support.  There appear to be several out there 
> supporting Perl and PHP, but python isn't as popular I guess.
>
>


What exactly do you mean by Python support ?? The reason I ask is that 
you will most likely find python in place at most of your $10/month 
hosting places. If they run RedHat or any of the variants then Python 
is required for the install process, 'anaconda' and therefore all RH 
machines have Python available.

If you are writing cgi-scripts in python sometimes you have to jump few 
a few silly hoops to get python scripts to work. For example I hosted 
with one company who had set apache to handle all .pl files as cgi 
scripts. So I had to name my python sript pythonscript.pl but this made 
no difference to the script or to apache, all that mattered was the 
#!/usr/bin/python

If you are looking for something less common such as a python based 
apache module or an extremely cutting edge version of python then you 
should call the hosting companies and try and break through the lines 
of customer support to speak to a 'real' techie. This is easier with 
the small companies. Start with your local ISP's or contact me off list 
and I may be able to make some suggestions, *note that all hosting 
companies have there drawbacks, it is sometimes best to do things 
yourself.

Options may include installing your own python in your home directory, 
or having them install one in /opt/. My zope installation "ouch" 
required a modern python so I added a seperate python in /opt/ and 
compiled against that version. This maintained the rpm database as it 
was and allowed me to get my work done without a wicked rpm dependency 
cycle.

If you are looking for zope then I suggest a specialized zope hosting 
company. The folks at Zettai(sp? ) .net seemed knowledgeable. I can get 
you a correct URL if needed.

Then again you can always do things yourself. I lease a self managed RH 
box from interland for 80/month and I am free to do what I want with 
it. Some colocation services are as low as $50/month.

I host with two small companies. When I call I speak to real techie, we 
share a common language and things usually work well enough, never 
perfect but well enough.

Regards,

Tom


From archanoid at columbus.rr.com  Tue Sep 28 16:13:21 2004
From: archanoid at columbus.rr.com (archanoid@columbus.rr.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:30 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Now Taking Requests
Message-ID: <5f864f5fbad9.5fbad95f864f@columbus.rr.com>

Scott Merrill <skippy@skippy.net> wrote:
> 
> If you're looking for a particular distribution, 
> speak up.  If you see a request for something 
> which you already have, please respond so that we
> don't all start downloading in vain!  =)
> 

I have SuSe Live 9.1, SuSe 9.1 Personal, CentOS 3,
cAos 1, and some specialty distros already on-hand if
anyone wants a copy.

I can burn copies tonight to bring tomorrow.

-Aaron


From skippy at skippy.net  Tue Sep 28 18:21:44 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:30 2005
Subject: [COLUG] kdm keyboard weirdness on Debian Unstable
Message-ID: <4159E3F8.3040401@skippy.net>

After a recent `apt-get -u dist-upgrade` on my Debian Unstable 
workstation, my keyboard does not initially work in the kdm login manager.

When I boot, kdm starts and presents to me the login screen.  My 
keyboard is _completely_ non-functional at this point: even the numlock 
light will not activate when I press the NumLock key!

I can select "Console Login" from the menu drop-down.  At the console, 
my keyboard works!

 From the console, I `sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop` and then `sudo 
/etc/init.d/kdm start`.  KDM restarts, and my keyboard works!

Does anyone have any ideas about this?  I haven't yet looked at Debian's 
kdm bug lists, so maybe this is a solved issue, but I'd appreciate any 
insight the group might have to offer.

Cheers,
Scott

From skippy at skippy.net  Tue Sep 28 18:28:28 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:31 2005
Subject: [COLUG] kdm keyboard weirdness on Debian Unstable
In-Reply-To: <4159E3F8.3040401@skippy.net>
References: <4159E3F8.3040401@skippy.net>
Message-ID: <4159E58C.8030003@skippy.net>

Scott Merrill wrote:
> Does anyone have any ideas about this?  I haven't yet looked at Debian's 
> kdm bug lists, so maybe this is a solved issue, but I'd appreciate any 
> insight the group might have to offer.

Never mind!  It is indeed a known issue, with an easy work-around:
    http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=266106

From tom at functionalmedia.com  Tue Sep 28 18:35:53 2004
From: tom at functionalmedia.com (tom@functionalmedia.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:31 2005
Subject: [COLUG] pppd and RoadRunner dial-up
In-Reply-To: <b789547b04092518383c2ed7b1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C1E48D4E-119E-11D9-A909-00039317745E@functionalmedia.com>

It has been a while since I set up dialup but as I recall wvdial was 
very transparent about configuration options and errors.



On Saturday, September 25, 2004, at 09:38  PM, Joseph Fannin wrote:

> Hello, everyone.
>
> Has anyone managed to get Linux to work with the dial-up offered with
> RoadRunner accounts[1]?  I'm trying to get this to work from my
> NAT/firewall box, a 486 running Debian unstable.  No X or pretty
> graphical configuration tools, but I don't think they'd help; I
> haven't had to deal with dial-up and Linux for a long time, but I
> think there's something weird going on.
>


From jep200404 at columbus.rr.com  Tue Sep 28 19:53:36 2004
From: jep200404 at columbus.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:31 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Knoppix DVD
In-Reply-To: <34955.216.136.35.122.1096388495.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
References: <34955.216.136.35.122.1096388495.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
Message-ID: <20040928195336.42c6d05f.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>

Scott Merrill wrote: 

> If someone wants a Knoppix DVD, I could download that 

What URL are you downloading from?  

Separately, with DVDs, a big problem is bootability.  
Many computers that can read DVDs can not boot them, 
either because of some limitation in the drive or the 
motherboard BIOS.  I have given a number of bootable DVDs 
away, but many people could not boot them.  


From skippy at skippy.net  Tue Sep 28 20:12:29 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:31 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Knoppix DVD
In-Reply-To: <20040928195336.42c6d05f.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
References: <34955.216.136.35.122.1096388495.squirrel@216.136.35.122>
	<20040928195336.42c6d05f.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4159FDED.1050105@skippy.net>

Jim wrote:
> Scott Merrill wrote: 
> 
> 
>>If someone wants a Knoppix DVD, I could download that 
> 
> 
> What URL are you downloading from?  

I haven't downloaded it yet:
   http://www.knoppix.net/Knoppix-3.5-DVD-remaster.iso.torrent
Knoppix 3.7 is due out soon, so this DVD may be a little dated.

From brucehohl at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 28 20:28:01 2004
From: brucehohl at yahoo.com (Bruce Hohl)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:31 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Suggestion for tape hardware and software
In-Reply-To: <4158D54C.2090900@skippy.net>
Message-ID: <20040929002801.27769.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>

Scott,
Thanks for info and replies.
Bruce


--- Scott Merrill <skippy@skippy.net> wrote:

> Linux User wrote:
> > Scott,
> > 
> > Let me know if you find differently, but I think
> Arkeia no longer offers
> > a Free version.  Bummer huh?
> 
> They still offer, but don't much publicize, Arkeia
> Light:
>     http://www.arkeia.org/download/light/
> 
>  From the main arkeia web page, you can select
> Arkeia Light from the 
> drop-down box at the top left (labelled
> "Quicklinks").
> 
> I'm using Arkeia Light for a single Samba server
> backing up to a single 
> DLT tape drive.  It works well: five tapes, labelled
> Monday through 
> Thursday.  Every night is a full backup, since the
> data fits the tapes 
> (user data only -- we don't back up OS components). 
> The administration 
> is straightforward, once you read the docs.  The
> admin GUI is (mostly) 
> intuitive and easy to use.
> 
> Cheers,
> Scott
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
> 



		
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From josh at bitbuckets.com  Tue Sep 28 22:50:48 2004
From: josh at bitbuckets.com (Joshua Kramer)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:31 2005
Subject: [COLUG] HTML book?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>


This is a bit offtopic, but can anyone recommend a good beginning HTML 
book?  My sister-in-law recently graduated OSU with an art degree and 
she's interested in web design.  She took one class where they used 
Dreamweaver, but I'd like to teach her how to code HTML using something 
like Quanta.

Thanks,
--Josh



From archanoid at columbus.rr.com  Tue Sep 28 22:48:09 2004
From: archanoid at columbus.rr.com (Aaron Howard)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:31 2005
Subject: [COLUG] HTML book?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
Message-ID: <415A2269.4040909@columbus.rr.com>

Joshua Kramer wrote:

>This is a bit offtopic, but can anyone recommend a good beginning HTML 
>book?  My sister-in-law recently graduated OSU with an art degree and 
>she's interested in web design.  She took one class where they used 
>Dreamweaver, but I'd like to teach her how to code HTML using something 
>like Quanta.
>
>  
>
I have this (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/css2/) book and like it.  
Most O'Reilly books are excellent, imho.  I think the "in a nutshell" 
line is more geared for beginners, but I could be wrong about that.  I 
would recommend getting several books: one on HTML, CSS, JavaScript, and 
probably XML.

Also, you might try online HTML tutorials instead of (or in addition to) 
books.  http://www.w3schools.com/ for instance.  Can't vouch for any 
online tutorials personally; but it just feels right ... like there 
ought to be some really good resources on the web for how to develop web 
content.  Just watch out for non-standard methods and tricks that lock 
you into IE, and go easy on the flash.

If she's just beginning learning web design, and if she's seriously 
interested, she should smell what mozilla's been cooking with XUL.  
http://books.mozdev.org/chapters/index.html

XUL looks really nice to me, but may be way more than a person with a 
passing interest is going to get into.

I come from more of a programming background, so it appeals to me.  I've 
made websites that do a lot (warehouse management systems, for instance) 
but look like crap since I have a limited sense of style.  I can 
envision redoing some of that work taking advantage of XUL and making a 
really crisp interface.

Anyway, that's my $0.02

-Aaron

From rfunk at funknet.net  Tue Sep 28 22:56:23 2004
From: rfunk at funknet.net (Rob Funk)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:31 2005
Subject: [COLUG] HTML book?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
Message-ID: <200409282256.23875.rfunk@funknet.net>

Joshua Kramer wrote:
> This is a bit offtopic, but can anyone recommend a good beginning HTML
> book?  My sister-in-law recently graduated OSU with an art degree and
> she's interested in web design.  She took one class where they used
> Dreamweaver, but I'd like to teach her how to code HTML using something
> like Quanta.

Last I looked into it, I ended up deciding I liked "Teach Yourself HTML 
Visually" (or "Teach Yourself Visually HTML", I'm not sure).
  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0764534238

Of course, once she's learned it, O'Reilly's Definitive Guide and Pocket 
Reference are both essential.

-- 
==============================|   "A microscope locked in on one point
 Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> |Never sees what kind of room that it's in"
 http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"

From lefevre.10 at osu.edu  Tue Sep 28 22:58:47 2004
From: lefevre.10 at osu.edu (Steve Lefevre)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:31 2005
Subject: [COLUG] HTML book?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
Message-ID: <415A24E7.3080302@osu.edu>

I would say it's not worth spending money on. There's enough tutorial 
websites out there, and she can easily view the source of any page she 
likes. If the source is illegible due to it being created by some HTML 
GUI, she shouldn't bother trying to decipher it anyway.

I would start with text, hyperlinks, tables, then frames. Then decide 
whether to go PHP or Javascript.

Steve

Joshua Kramer wrote:

>This is a bit offtopic, but can anyone recommend a good beginning HTML 
>book?  My sister-in-law recently graduated OSU with an art degree and 
>she's interested in web design.  She took one class where they used 
>Dreamweaver, but I'd like to teach her how to code HTML using something 
>like Quanta.
>
>Thanks,
>--Josh
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
>http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1
>
>
>  
>


From rfunk at funknet.net  Tue Sep 28 23:02:32 2004
From: rfunk at funknet.net (Rob Funk)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:31 2005
Subject: [COLUG] HTML book?
In-Reply-To: <415A2269.4040909@columbus.rr.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
	<415A2269.4040909@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200409282302.32383.rfunk@funknet.net>

Aaron Howard wrote:
> Most O'Reilly books are excellent, imho.  I think the "in a nutshell"
> line is more geared for beginners, but I could be wrong about that.  I
> would recommend getting several books: one on HTML, CSS, JavaScript, and
> probably XML.

The Nutshell books tend to be more reference-oriented than 
tutorial-oriented, in my experience.  (This first bit me when I thought I 
could learn Java from "Java In A Nutshell".)  "Webmaster In A Nutshell" is 
the quintessential webmaster's handbook, but would be nearly useless as a 
learning tool.  And all the O'Reilly books you mentioned are wonderful and 
just about essential, but not necessarily the best choice for learning.  
For learning they tend to be better for engineering school graduates than 
for art school graduates.

> Also, you might try online HTML tutorials instead of (or in addition to)
> books.  http://www.w3schools.com/ for instance.  Can't vouch for any
> online tutorials personally; but it just feels right ... like there
> ought to be some really good resources on the web for how to develop web
> content.

I suspect the web resources are better for how NOT to develop web 
content.  :-)

-- 
==============================|   "A microscope locked in on one point
 Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> |Never sees what kind of room that it's in"
 http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"

From lefevre.10 at osu.edu  Tue Sep 28 23:07:43 2004
From: lefevre.10 at osu.edu (Steve Lefevre)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:31 2005
Subject: [COLUG] I got hacked
In-Reply-To: <200409282302.32383.rfunk@funknet.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
	<415A2269.4040909@columbus.rr.com>
	<200409282302.32383.rfunk@funknet.net>
Message-ID: <415A26FF.4060102@osu.edu>

I was having a look in my home directory, and I found an entry for Sam 
Bauser. Who the h311 is Sam Bauser?! A quick google search told it it's 
actually *samba user*.

From rfunk at funknet.net  Tue Sep 28 23:10:15 2004
From: rfunk at funknet.net (Rob Funk)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:31 2005
Subject: [COLUG] HTML book?
In-Reply-To: <415A24E7.3080302@osu.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
	<415A24E7.3080302@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <200409282310.15363.rfunk@funknet.net>

Steve Lefevre wrote:
> I would say it's not worth spending money on. There's enough tutorial
> websites out there, and she can easily view the source of any page she
> likes.

Unfortunately there's way too much bad HTML out there.  Learning by example 
is a recipe for more bad HTML.

> I would start with text, hyperlinks, tables, then frames. Then decide
> whether to go PHP or Javascript.

Um, I'd suggest learning CSS long before PHP or Javascript.  And for a web 
designer, I'd suggest Javascript long before PHP.

-- 
==============================|   "A microscope locked in on one point
 Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> |Never sees what kind of room that it's in"
 http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"

From skippy at skippy.net  Tue Sep 28 23:24:26 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:31 2005
Subject: [COLUG] HTML book?
In-Reply-To: <200409282310.15363.rfunk@funknet.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>	<415A24E7.3080302@osu.edu>
	<200409282310.15363.rfunk@funknet.net>
Message-ID: <415A2AEA.5060003@skippy.net>

Rob Funk wrote:
> Um, I'd suggest learning CSS long before PHP or Javascript.  And for a web 
> designer, I'd suggest Javascript long before PHP.
> 

And for the sake of completeness, I'd suggest learning to build 
accessible web sites from the get go:
    http://diveintoaccessibility.org/

From tom at functionalmedia.com  Wed Sep 29 00:04:30 2004
From: tom at functionalmedia.com (tom@functionalmedia.com)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:31 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Experience with clusters?
In-Reply-To: <rvpil0tggcseqp632tqj57c4d03n5707tc@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <AA0305E0-11CC-11D9-A909-00039317745E@functionalmedia.com>

I second that...

the supercomputer center's mission is more or less to answer questions 
such as these.. Nice folks at least the one guy I have met from there.

Tom
On Tuesday, September 28, 2004, at 09:33  AM, David Sherman wrote:

> Brett, I would contact the folks at the Ohio Supercomputer Center
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:15:42 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> Hi all-
>>
>> I have a possible chance to implement a high-performance Linux 
>> cluster at my
>> place of employment.  There are several hurdles to overcome with 
>> management,
>> particularly the idea of running an unsupported distribution on 
>> compute
>> nodes.   If anyone has any cluster experience, particularly in a 
>> corporate
>> environment, I would appreciate any insight you might have.
>>
>> thanks,
>> --brett


From pat at linuxcolumbus.com  Wed Sep 29 06:59:22 2004
From: pat at linuxcolumbus.com (Pat Collins)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:31 2005
Subject: [COLUG] HTML book?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
Message-ID: <20040929105922.GT6904@linuxcolumbus.com>

On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 10:50:48PM -0400, Joshua Kramer wrote:
> 
> This is a bit offtopic, but can anyone recommend a good beginning HTML 
> book?  My sister-in-law recently graduated OSU with an art degree and 
> she's interested in web design.  She took one class where they used 
> Dreamweaver, but I'd like to teach her how to code HTML using something 
> like Quanta.
>

http://www.alistapart.com


Pat

 

From jep200404 at columbus.rr.com  Wed Sep 29 08:08:25 2004
From: jep200404 at columbus.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:31 2005
Subject: [COLUG] HTML book?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
Message-ID: <20040929080825.0d0c402e.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>

Joshua Kramer wrote:

> This is a bit offtopic, 

No it isn't.  

> can anyone recommend a good beginning HTML book?  

Try before you buy.  

Go to the library and borrow a bunch of them.  
After learning from them, either buy the most 
helpful book(s), or buy a reference book.  


From jeremiah at facility9.com  Wed Sep 29 09:27:45 2004
From: jeremiah at facility9.com (Jeremiah McElroy)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:31 2005
Subject: [COLUG] HTML book?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
Message-ID: <276CE3B5-E7D7-40C8-8487-2A6A495792FF@mimectl>

http://dezwozhere.com/links.html

I would second the vote for w3schools.org - it really helped me about 4 years ago when I was getting into web design from a perl background.  

You can definitely learn how to write good code from web tutorials alone.  I can't recall reading any books apart from HTML and XHTML: The Definitive Guide and JavaScript: The Definitive Guide, but those are more tomes than texts and are best left alone unless needed as a reference point.

Jeffrey Zeldman's Designing With Web Standards is good, but only for people who already have a grasp of coding HTML.

I would suggest that your sister-in-law learn from the w3schools tutorials.  Once she grasps the basics of structured mark-up and styling, she'll be fine.  At that point she start with the tricks and chicanery of http://www.alistapart.com/ and many many other sites (http://www.positioniseverything.net/, http://www.literarymoose.info/=/css.xhtml, http://www.designiskinky.com/, http://www.k10k.net/, etc).

Once you're aware of what makes for good and bad markup, stealing the code is the easiest way to learn, IMHO.

jeremiah



From: Joshua Kramer
Sent: Tue 9/28/2004 10:50 PM
To: colug1@colug.net
Subject: [COLUG] HTML book?


This is a bit offtopic, but can anyone recommend a good beginning HTML 
book?  My sister-in-law recently graduated OSU with an art degree and 
she's interested in web design.  She took one class where they used 
Dreamweaver, but I'd like to teach her how to code HTML using something 
like Quanta.

Thanks,
--Josh


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From lefevre.10 at osu.edu  Wed Sep 29 09:55:05 2004
From: lefevre.10 at osu.edu (Steve Lefevre)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:32 2005
Subject: [COLUG] HTML book?
In-Reply-To: <200409282310.15363.rfunk@funknet.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
	<415A24E7.3080302@osu.edu> <200409282310.15363.rfunk@funknet.net>
Message-ID: <415ABEB9.5090802@osu.edu>

Rob Funk wrote:

>
>Um, I'd suggest learning CSS long before PHP or Javascript.  And for a web 
>designer, I'd suggest Javascript long before PHP.
>  
>

You are right. CSS should come before those.

But I'm not sure about the Javascript before PHP. It seems to me that 
they are somewhat divergent paths. I guess it depends on what you mean 
by 'web designer'.


From bthaman at fairbanks.k12.oh.us  Wed Sep 29 10:19:13 2004
From: bthaman at fairbanks.k12.oh.us (BJ Thaman)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:32 2005
Subject: [COLUG] HTML book?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
Message-ID: <BD803CA1.7E7D%bthaman@fairbanks.k12.oh.us>

Creating a Web Page with HTML : Visual QuickProject Guide (Visual
Quickproject Series) by  Elizabeth Castro

I have not read this book, but it was highly recommended by Jeffery Zeldman
(zeldman.com / alistapart.com)  I found his book Designing with Web
Standards to be very helpful and easy to read.


BJ Thaman




> From: Joshua Kramer <josh@bitbuckets.com>
> Reply-To: Central OH Linux User Group <colug1@colug.net>
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:50:48 -0400 (EDT)
> To: colug1@colug.net
> Subject: [COLUG] HTML book?
> 
> 
> This is a bit offtopic, but can anyone recommend a good beginning HTML
> book?  My sister-in-law recently graduated OSU with an art degree and
> she's interested in web design.  She took one class where they used
> Dreamweaver, but I'd like to teach her how to code HTML using something
> like Quanta.
> 
> Thanks,
> --Josh
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> colug1 mailing list colug1@colug.net
> http://www.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug1


From linux at ezas.net  Wed Sep 29 11:57:29 2004
From: linux at ezas.net (Linux User)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:32 2005
Subject: [COLUG] HTML book?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409282246470.26628-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>
Message-ID: <20040929114951.5DDC.LINUX@ezas.net>

$0.02 
Look for Mastering HTML 4 Permium Edition on Amazon.  You get get it for
around $5.00 + shipping.  It is massive and covers more than HTML.  Read
the reviews too.

The thing I like about it is that it cover basic HTML, CSS, Site design
and maint. practices, plus DHTML, Javascript, XML 1.0, and more.  It has
some nice reference sections to get quick access to the stuff you
already know, but need syntax for.

Chris



From blata at extent0006.entomology.ohio-state.edu  Wed Sep 29 12:08:57 2004
From: blata at extent0006.entomology.ohio-state.edu (Wade Pinkston)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:32 2005
Subject: [COLUG] motd
Message-ID: <415ADE19.40300@bugs.osu.edu>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

I got to playing with my motd for no good reason.  However I thought it
would be cool to display text in color as well as maybe putting in the
date and time (such as echo $DATE). Any body know how to do this?  My
googling came up empty.

- --
Wade Pinkston

Ipsa scientia potestas est

Windows,a
32 bit graphical interface for a
16 bit patch to an
8 bit operating system internally coded for a
4 bit processor written by a
2 bit company that can't stand
1 bit of competition

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From josh at bitbuckets.com  Wed Sep 29 13:25:03 2004
From: josh at bitbuckets.com (Joshua Kramer)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:32 2005
Subject: [COLUG] motd
In-Reply-To: <415ADE19.40300@bugs.osu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409291323270.28133-100000@sydney.bitbuckets.com>


> I got to playing with my motd for no good reason.  However I thought it
> would be cool to display text in color as well as maybe putting in the

Google for 'ANSI Art'.  If you don't want a color episode of The Simpsons 
as your MOTD (or if you want something less overblown), look for ANSI 
color codes.  Aaaah, makes me yearn for the BBS days of 1200 baud...

Later,
-Josh




From skippy at skippy.net  Wed Sep 29 13:24:30 2004
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Sat Jan  8 01:36:32 2005
Subject: [COLUG] Free Stuff at tonight's meeting
Message-ID: <36825.216.136.35.122.1096478670.squirrel@216.136.35.122>

I'm bringing a trunk full of jun^H^H^H^H goodies to the meeting tonight! 
All free for the taking.